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Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 Just a thought - if the locket that no-one could open at Grimmauld Place is one of the Horcruxes, how will Harry be able to destroy it, considering the injury Dumbledore himself received when destroying the ring? Or will the fact that Harry has such a close link to Voldemort make him sort of immune? Will the new portrait of Dumbledore in the Headmaster's office be able to give any clues?

Friday, September 30th 2005 - 06:40:41 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 The t-shirts are also on sale.

Snape is Innocent

Sunday, September 25th 2005 - 06:19:40 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 I (finally) got my “Snape is Innocent” t-shirt and found it to be as Vicki stated. It was also just the right size, so perhaps whoever it was that said the sizes ran small simply... underestimated themselves a bit. ;) Anyone should be safe ordering their regular size.

Sunday, September 25th 2005 - 06:16:02 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 OMG, it's actually the exact same stop sign I saw!

Monday, September 19th 2005 - 05:26:41 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Vicki - Nope, wasn't me. :-) I wonder how many of those stop signs exist around the world. LOL

Monday, September 19th 2005 - 05:24:52 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Sabine, was that you who took the picture of the stop sign and sent it to the Leaky Cauldron?

Monday, September 19th 2005 - 02:43:43 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Hmmm, Juliet....good question. But is Grimmauld Place still being used as headquarters for the Order? If not, then I guess it wouldn't matter if the secret keeper is dead. But if they are still going to use it as HQ, then they will have to get a new secret keeper. The members of the order who were previously told of the location by the SK would most likely still know it's location. But in order to maintain the secret, then you're right...they better assign a new secret keeper.

Monday, September 19th 2005 - 02:42:26 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Does anybody know what happened to VU's "Prince in Exile" on Occlumency? It seems to have disappeared...


Saturday, September 17th 2005 - 12:27:46 PM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 Just occurred to me, now DD is dead, who, if anyone, is the Order's secret keeper? Did he pass it on, if so, to whom??

Thursday, September 15th 2005 - 10:32:49 AM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 I visited a friend the other day and right before I had to turn into her subdivision, there's a stop sign. Someone had written "Voldemort" underneath the word "Stop", so now the stop sign reads "Stop Voldemort." *grin*

Sunday, September 11th 2005 - 10:22:15 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 AFNH - Hard to read any of VU's stories without needing a veeerrry cold shower at the end - ahem!



How true!

Sunday, September 11th 2005 - 09:29:16 AM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 True, Elaine, Nottingham was the centre of lace making for centuries, and that would be a return to an old stamping ground, wouldn't it?

Wednesday, September 7th 2005 - 04:45:34 PM

Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 Thanks for that link, martha!. Hard to read any of VU's stories without needing a veeerrry cold shower at the end - ahem!

Sunday, September 4th 2005 - 07:13:51 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 For those who expressed interest, Veresna Ussep has her new story, "The Prince in Exile" up at Occlumency.

Friday, September 2nd 2005 - 09:06:36 AM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 I am happy to report that my Snape Is Innocent t-shirt arrived in the mail today. It is a good quality shirt made of 100% heavy weight cotton (color - black). The font size was smaller than I had imagined; the capital letters are about 1" high and the lower case letters approximately 1/2" high, so the phrase does not go from armpit to armpit as it appeared in the illustration. But that doesn't bother me too much. Someone would have to come close to actually read what it said so if you wanted to wear this in public, you could without feeling like you were wearing a billboard that screamed, "Yes, I'm a middle-aged weirdo!"

All in all, I'm am very pleased with this impulsive purchase. I think the only time I will be seen in public with it on will be at the Goblet of Fire opening in November. I'll probably use it as a t-shirt to sleep in (though, my husband may object) or to relax in around the house.

Monday, August 29th 2005 - 11:26:44 PM

Name:

 Claudia

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 I don't think this is actually a spoiler so I'll post this over at the main book too.

In the RADA book Off Stage, the Ralph Fiennes section has a comment from the photographer, Cambridge Jones.

Ralph was in the middle of rehearsals for Julius Caesar, which I thought explained the skinhead look, but it turned out that it was our old friend Harry Potter that took the number 1 to him.

So you know that Voldemort's skinned head is for real and not some fake rubber thing. LOL

Friday, August 26th 2005 - 03:07:49 PM

Name:

 kathy

Location:

 arkansas

Comments:

 Elaine, (hi--waving) I hope we don't have to wait 2 years for the last book, but JKR did say she wanted to give this new baby a year of undivided time before she writes the last book which will take about a year including publishing time. Oh well, we do have the movies to look forward to!

Wednesday, August 24th 2005 - 01:07:38 AM

Name:

 kathy

Location:

 arkansas

Comments:

 I was just reading the interview with JK Rowling by the Leaky cauldron and mugglenet on the release weekend of book 6.

A few things she said are making me think again--Snape was loved but she says that fact makes him more culpable and she also makes a comment about DD clinging to some desperate hope---Hmmmmmm does this point to a really evil Snape or a more complicated plot? I hope, hope, hope Snape is not evil. She also says someone else was at Godrics Hollow the night Lily and James were killed, who? In remorse did Snape make an unbreakable vow to Lily? Is Snapes meaness to Harry a cover-up for his guilt/remorse at having ultimately lead to Lily and James death?

Snape at the end of book 6 does not seem to triumph in the evil acts but to be burdened with them.

I guess before I read book 6 for a 3rd time I'm going to have to start at the beginning and read them all through again. She said dragging Harry all over the place in OOTP was necessary for events in book 7.

Also JKR said that there was a point in the story where the hero has to go on alone to face the "evil" so I think DD is really dead.

School starts on thurs. so if I'm going to read anything I'd better get a move on!!!


Wednesday, August 24th 2005 - 01:03:09 AM

Name:

 Elaine

Comments:

 Ages since I've posted. Still stuck on Chap 3 for the 3rd time - other books to read instead. Could someone do me a favour and post where I can get one of the aforementioned t- shirts? Or at least see what they are like (so I can make one of my own).

Just like to point out that there are other parts of the UK that could be Spinner's End. eg, the Midlands. And without saying what kind of mill it is, it could be anywhere.

JKR has a real thing about the number 7. Someone pointed out on Mugglenet (I think it waas) that she could be thinking of the 7th July in two years time for Book 7 publication (7/7/07). There are other "7" connections, too. What it means, I don't really know. Anyone make a guess?

Tuesday, August 23rd 2005 - 09:04:22 PM

Name:

 sue

Location:

 england

Comments:

 "You know how it is with work do's, you HAVE to go even when you'd rather eat your own entrails!"

You been to those do's too, eh??LOL
(I might have been happier to go if I'd thought Snape was turning up;))

Monday, August 22nd 2005 - 03:47:06 PM

Name:

 Ricky

Location:

 Austria

Comments:

 @ Daydreamer and all. I was a little surprised too, to "see" Severus at this party! Maybe it was his duty (order of DD) or he wanted to overhear was people are talking. Strange thing it was. He also seems never to go away from Hogwarts, leave his dungeons or the inner rooms (sallow skin) - only to Lord Voldemort?! He was never mentioned going to Hogsmeade or anything. One time to the Dark Forest (meeting Prof.Quirrell) and at the coartyard people can meet him (looking for pupils putting out a toe over the line *g*)

Ricky

PS: work celebrations - I hate them too, but such things are a must *sigh*

Monday, August 22nd 2005 - 12:25:33 AM

Name:

 Daydreamer

Comments:

 Hmmm, it could be really only because of duty. But it was so strange to see Trelawney (who usually never left her tower) and Snape (who seems like he dislikes parties) there and no other teachers were mentioned.

Sunday, August 21st 2005 - 04:14:15 PM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 Martha, Daydreamer, I think he was there as a duty rather than pleasure, like Christmas lunch in POA, when he even pulled a cracker if I remember rightly.
You know how it is with work do's, you HAVE to go even when you'd rather eat your own entrails!

Sunday, August 21st 2005 - 03:03:51 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 Daydreamer - I've wondered why Snape was there as well. He may have attended as a courtesy to a former teacher and current peer. Canon Snape never gave the impression that he was the party type, but really, I'm not sure we haven't just extrapolated that. Fanon Snape is certainly not the party type, and for those of us who read much fanfic, his being at the party seemed very OOC. (Out of Character) lol! Can JKR write her own characters as OOC?

Sunday, August 21st 2005 - 08:59:34 AM

Name:

 Daydreamer

Comments:

 I'm re-reading HBP and was thinking about Slughorn's party.
WHY was Snape there??? First it looks like he's looking for Draco but then after the talk, Draco goes away but Snape returns to the party!! So, why? I mean, Snape doesn't look like he would enjoy going to parties. Maybe it's not important, but I think it's interesting.

Sunday, August 21st 2005 - 06:28:49 AM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 Glad to be of help, Vicki. Would appreciate an appraisal of the quality, etc of the t-shirt when it arrives to help in my buying decision!

Monday, August 15th 2005 - 03:18:09 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Thanks for the photos, Daydreamer and Juliet! That gives me a better idea what to picture in my mind as I read that chapter.

So, Snape's father was a muggle...did that surprise anyone else? I always pictured his father as a wizard and if one parent was a muggle it would have been his mother. For some reason I got that into my head after OotP when we see the brief scene from the pensieve where a hooked nose man is screaming at a cowering woman. I sort of pictured his father as abusive (kind of like how Snape can be with his students) and that's where he learned all his dark magic. But now that we know that it was his mother who was magical, well, that changes things a bit. Perhaps she had to resort to dark magic to protect herself and her son. Hmmmm, this does put a different spin on this character. I'm going to have to think about this some more.

Oh, I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one who wants that t-shirt. I'll bet that guy is doing a brisk business. Sabine, you'll be the hit of the sci-fi/fantasy convention! Why can't I think of these clever ideas and market them? Oh, well....

Monday, August 15th 2005 - 03:05:18 AM

Name:

 Daydreamer

Comments:

 Very interesting, Juliet! :)
I looked also for a few pictures and found these:
http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/blog1/150204-7.htm
http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/blog1/261003-3.htm

***
I don't know who, but Tarot has been also mentioned here.
We also know that number 7 is important.
And if Snape was born on 9.1.1959 - that would be 9+1+1+9+5+9=7!
And the Tarot card for 7 is Chariot (I found this site with interesting interpretation: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/basics/chariot.shtml)

Sunday, August 14th 2005 - 07:20:41 PM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 Vicki, there is a selection of properties pictured at this site:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ashton-under-lyne.com/terr.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ashton-under-lyne.com/pictures20.htm&h=345&w=531&sz=12&tbnid=VBOZH10n0zQJ:&tbnh=83&tbnw=129&hl=en&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrick%2Bterraced%2Bhouses%26sv
Ashton-under-Lyne is about 20 miles from Pendle. The second picture of Egerton Street would be very similar to Spinners End.
I'm half toying with the idea of a t-shirt myself, just wish they would design one with the pic of him holding the doorframe!

Sunday, August 14th 2005 - 05:08:10 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Vicky - I thought about ordering the shirt and wearing it to a scifi/fantasy convention I'll be going to in September. I think it'll definitely be a conversation starter! LOL

Sunday, August 14th 2005 - 12:52:05 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Thanks, Juliet for that link. Are there any pictures on the net of those type of brick houses? I tried clicking on the Pendle link within that article but it took me to a travel site that didn't recognize "Pendle".

I've just started my second read through of the book. I'm taking it slowly this time and really trying to spot clues. I haven't gotten very far yet....he still hasn't left the Hogwart's Express. This time, I'm savoring the story.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for my "Snape is Innocent" t-shirt to arrive. Oh boy....my family will really think I've lost it when I put that thing on.

Sunday, August 14th 2005 - 12:48:38 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 Juliet - Ouch! I hurts when a town loses its major employer. We have mill towns here, too, only ours are mostly paper mills. Many of them have shut down in the last 10 years or so. It's really hard on a town and the people.

Saturday, August 13th 2005 - 08:55:12 PM

Name:

 Juliet

E-mail address:

 UK

Comments:

 Living as I do 6 miles from a Yorkshire mill town, the description is true today. Many of these towns are desperate to re-invent themselves as the industrial work moved elsewhere years ago, whole areas of blighted housing lie derelict waiting to be demolished, unfortunately no-one has much inclinition to re-develop because they are not seen as "smart" postcodes. Pendle, having a viable historical past (the witches) has had some success in developing a tourist industry in the last 10 years.

Saturday, August 13th 2005 - 07:46:20 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 Juliet - Interesting article, BTW. I find that kind of history fascinating. The depth of knowledge we have here is awesome.

How are we going to survive until the next book? *sigh*

Saturday, August 13th 2005 - 06:00:43 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 In the discussions of where Snape grew up, things like past history is mentioned. But Snape wasn't born that long ago. (He's younger than I am, ergo, he wasn't born that long ago.) Are the area descriptions that we've seen, appropriate for 1960? My knowledge of UK mill towns is nill.

Saturday, August 13th 2005 - 05:57:04 PM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 Having read the book carefully, pondered for a bit and read other people's thoughts, here are my views, all IMHO of course:

1) I think DD is dead and there was a pact between him and SS. I know the "I will always be here while people at Hogwarts are loyal to me" bit, but it seems to me that the 2 most loyal, SS and Harry have left/won't go back. And there is always his portrait for the rest!

2) This question of "Was SS ever loved?", JKR says yes. I doubt there have been lots of people, I think we might be confusing canon SS with AR-SS! My guess is only one and that was his mother, those mothers among us know we still love them how ever awful our kids really are. Plus this would fit in with the HP/Voldemort thing of a mother's love saving his life/lack of a mother's love turning him to the bad.

I think a more salient question might be "Has SS ever loved?"

3) I have always thought that SS had a rather working class background (can't remember who else mentioned that here), another chip to put on his shoulder with all the others. I THINK I know where he grew up. If we assume he grew up near Spinners End (I hadn't thought of the spider connection until I read it here) then the description of brick houses places it in a Lancashire cotton town (as opposed to a Yorkshire woollen town where building are in stone). Plus SS knew a lot of dark magic before he got to Hogwarts, which implies he grew up near a wizarding community in spite of having a muggle father, so my money is on Pendle, an old mill town with a long history of witches.
See http://www.lancs.ac.uk/users/history/studpages/lanchistory/pendle.htm
The only difficulty I have with this is that the "real" SS would sound more like Mike Harding than AR, for those unfamiliar with this gent:
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/harding/ click on "play again", you'll need RealPlayer. Hard to imagine MH saying some of SS's lines!!

4) I have a theory about some of the other horcruxes. Chapter 13: The Secret Riddle has the visit to the orphanage. DD sets the wardrobe on fire and some stolen items wriggle to get out:
"Riddle took off the lid and tipped the contents out on to his bed without looking at them. Harry, who had expected something more exciting, saw a mess of small, everyday objects; a yo-yo, a silver thimble and a tarnished mouth-organ among them."

At the end of the chapter as Harry is leaving DD's office, he notices Marvolo Gaunt's ring has gone from the little table:
"The ring's gone", said Harry looking around. "But I though you might have the mouth-organ or something."
Dumbledore beamed at him, peering over the top of his half-moon spectacles.
"Very astute, Harry, but the mouth-organ was only ever a mouth-organ."

My money is on the yo-yo and silver thimble being horcruxes.




Friday, August 12th 2005 - 07:07:02 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Oh man, this woman (JKR) just keeps confusing the h*** out of me! I had totally forgotten about that remark, Daydreamer. Thanks for reminding me. :-)
Hmmm... so, now what? I still say it's too simplistic for Snape to be the bad guy. And there are just so many things in the books that make me think that he is on the good side. Also, AR said at last year's PoA premiere that you have to wonder why he's saving the golden trio all the time. Or is he saving them for his own sinister purposes? Could Snape be worse than Voldie? How on earth are we going to get through the next several years until book 7 arrives? *sigh*

Thursday, August 11th 2005 - 11:50:21 AM

Name:

 Daydreamer

Comments:

 I was looking through old JKR interviews and found this:
There’s an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape
JKR: He, um, there’s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can’t because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I’m slightly stunned that you’ve said that and you’ll find out why I’m so stunned if you read Book 7. That’s all I’m going to say.
(from: http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/1099-connectiontransc.html)

So, what do you think about what she said?

Thursday, August 11th 2005 - 11:41:36 AM

Name:

 Elaine

Comments:

 Sabine, that's a very interesting point. Never forget that JKR does not write things that don't mean anything! BUT, I still think that AD is dead.

Kathy, you and I are on the same wavelength! On my 3rd reading now.

Wednesday, August 10th 2005 - 08:37:12 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 That is really cool, Claudia! Thanks for posting the link! :-)

Wednesday, August 10th 2005 - 05:03:59 PM

Name:

 Claudia

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 "snotface..." posted this on IMDB. This is just to cute.

Punks and Nerds Be sure to click on the censored word.

Wednesday, August 10th 2005 - 01:59:06 PM

Name:

 kathy

Location:

 arkansas

Comments:

 So glad to have this forum to discuss HP.
I was blown away by this last book--weeping and alll---

My thought was that somehow DD made SS promise to kill him when he asked, at the end he says "please severus" It made me think that a pact had been made between the two of them and that DD was already dying from whatever made his hand whither and the potion he drank. First it would keep Draco, still a boy, from having the death of DD on his conscience, it would allow SS into the DE inner circle as having "proven" himself. I felt it was actually a loving act on his part causing pain for him as he respected DD. I think the explaination of the fact that SS let Vold. know where Lily and James were will be interesting, maybe he promised Lily to protect Harry. We still haven't learned how Harry having his mother's eyes falls into the picture.

As I read the end of the book I felt that SS was in great pain at what had transpired, not in triumph at defeating a foe--perhaps I also don't want to believe SS is evil.

I am in my 2nd reading now.....

Tuesday, August 9th 2005 - 06:31:25 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 Claudia - Nnot yet. I gather it is still very much a WIP.

AR as Snape in LLPL? My heart couldn't take it...

Tuesday, August 9th 2005 - 01:21:38 PM

Name:

 Lucy

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 I thought I'd chime in with more squee for VU. I would love to see Alan!Snape actually make a movie from LLPL.

Tuesday, August 9th 2005 - 10:50:39 AM

Name:

 Claudia

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Thanks martha. I'll pass that link onto my friend. Can the newest part be read there as well?

Monday, August 8th 2005 - 05:53:19 PM

Name:

 Sabine

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 My husband came up with an interesting idea the other day and I just have to post it here to see what you guys think. :-)
He reminded me of a scene in OotP at the Ministry when Harry shot a Cruciatus at Bellatrix Lestrange but it didn't really do anything to her. Bellatrix told Harry that you really had to mean it if you use an Unforgivable (or something to that effect). What if Snape's "heart wasn't in it" when he hit Dumbledore with the Avada Kedavra? Now, I don't really subscribe to the theory that Dumbledore isn't really dead, but it would give those who do believe more reason to believe.

Looking forward to reading everybody's input on this one! :-)

Monday, August 8th 2005 - 03:01:51 PM

Name:

 martha

Comments:

 Claudia - I'm not sure where your friend was, but VU's stories are now on Sycophant Hex in the Occlumency archive. Here. You need to "join," which is just a way of trying to weed out the underage. I think all you need is an email address.

Monday, August 8th 2005 - 12:50:24 PM

Name:

 Claudia

Location:

 GA

Comments:

 Thanks for the answer on the love plans for the HP characters, Sabine! I admit that I think that match between Hermione and Ron is adorable.

martha, I really do wish I could get into fan fic. I've heard a lot of good comments about VUs'writing. I was contacted by a friend that wanted to read her story but she was turned off by the rules of the group. It'd be nice if the stories were available in a little more friendlier environment.

Monday, August 8th 2005 - 08:15:28 AM

Name:

 Ricky

Location:

 Austria

Comments:

 @AFNH - thank you for answering. Well, a Knickerbocker Glory (what a strange name, thought it has maybe something to do with the shape of it *lol*) would now be fine ;o)
Ricky

Monday, August 8th 2005 - 06:39:13 AM

Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 Ricky - a Knickerbocker Glory is a tall glass filled with different flavoured ice cream (often strawberry and vanilla), topped off by wafers and cherries and things like that - they're delicious, but not good for the waistline!

Sunday, August 7th 2005 - 06:46:40 PM

Name:

 Ricky

Location:

 Austria

Comments:

 I hope the side does work for me this time. :o)

I have just started Philosopher's Stone (Sorcerer's Stone) again and in Chapter 2 Harry is at the zoo with the Dursleys. They are eating at the zoo restaurant and Duddley found his "Knickerbocker Glory" to little so Harry is allowed to finish it because D.get's another one.
Well, could anybody tell me, what a
"KNICKERBOCKER GLORY" is? A dessert? Or something like a Hamburger or steak? *wondering*

All of you a nice rest weekend.
Ricky

Sunday, August 7th 2005 - 12:36:12 PM

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