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(February 2006)
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Post 493 - 623
(February 2006)
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I think you are right, Elisa. As far as I remember my reading the Worst Memory, the scene finally turned the Potter universe upside down for me. Suddenly, Snape was the most interesting, important and even likable character. I remember kids saying they suddenly liked Snape, too. Of course, they have forgotten that in the meantime ;-)
Anyway, of course, I had had a thing for Snape before - he had always been great fun to read. But the Worst Memory really got me hooked. Who cares for Harry and his petty problems any more? *lol* And I found it very clever of Rowling to confront Harry with his own father's arrogance and cruelty this way. How revealing that the boy had to finally admit Snape had told him the truth about his father all the time. Aaaah, what a chapter :-) Well, had the worst memory been Snape as a murderer, he surely would not have gained so much sympathy. I do hope Rowling wanted to tell us Snape is not all bad - of course, it might be a mean trick to make us feel for Snape and then show him as the cruel Death Eater in the last book. As you all said, we can only speculate and anything is possible. Yet, I hope Rowling knows that making Snape really evil would be pedagogically unforgivable :-) So, she better gives our greasy git a chance for redemption. |
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Monday, February 27th 2006 - 12:54:36 PM |
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Elisa |
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Hi, seeing that memory I feel Snape more human. To be teased by mates it's something that most of us tried.
But if in the pensieve there was a Snape as murderer...what would your reaction have been? |
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Monday, February 27th 2006 - 11:50:32 AM |
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Carla |
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Just another point, Snapes worst memory is just a chapter name so it just sets the... situation in a way.
It is as you all say his most embaressing memory because it is well... just plain embaressing. Also with the flashes harry sees when doing occulmancy (( i can't spell)) of snapes home life it, for all us snape lovers, it show us that he had a troubled home-life and no one ever really liked him, so there is a reason for his anti-social behaviour and his attitude. So when he tuned out to be allegidly evil i was like ... 'Oh darn, i hoped he was just misunderstood.' but hopefully things will change ;) |
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Sunday, February 26th 2006 - 02:34:17 AM |
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Jan |
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Nahima: I think the letters are to prevent posting of automated spam messages.
I'm sure you're right that DD told Harry that Snape could never forgive James for saving his life and wanted to repay the debt through Harry so he could resume hating James without having to be grateful to him - but I can't remember where. I've known people with similar ideas! I still think humiliation would be worst for Snape because he is so full of himself. Sirius' trick was bad but was stopped before it became immediately dangerous. In other words, if Lupin had been actually attacking Snape (causing great fear) and James saved him, then that would be the stronger memory. In HBP, when Snape reads the article about Harry and Hermione, my skin just crawls for those kids! What a horrible thing to do to them. Again, because of embarassment. Oh, WHO KNOWS???? JKR, that's who (and AR)! :oD |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 09:22:02 PM |
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Nahima |
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HEY! I had to write some letters in a box in order to post my message! (Two times)
Is this something new? @.@ |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 07:41:05 PM |
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Nahima |
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Hi everyone, hope you all are enjoying the weekend!
I lost the count already but Snape's worst memory is ANOTHER mistery that I'm looking for its solution on the last book. (Don't know if I have said this before, accept my apologies in advance if the answer is "oh my, that again".) I find confusing that Snape's worst memory was not the prank Sirius did to him. Well, to be accurate, Harry's intrusion into the pensieve was interrupted by Snape so we can't know for sure if there were more memories or not. Anyway, it is still odd that Snape considered worse an humiliation than an attack against his life. Maybe if Harry had had enough time into the pensieve he could have seen the so-called prank, in which Sirius did act like a real jerk (risking not only Snape's life but Remus' fate) but on the other hand, James did the right thing risking his life to save others. I did remember something Dumbledore said to Harry about it on the first book. He said Snape had been protecting Harry because he wanted to pay his debt to James so he could be able to continue hating his memory in peace. Have to check this but, if I'm not wrong, Dumbledore said that Snape could never forgive James of having saved his life. (?) In spite of all this, Snape's main concern about his memories was the one which happened after their exams. (Here I can hear the screams of many Snape/Lily shippers, calm down people!) :D |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 07:36:09 PM |
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Jan |
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Elisa - I think the main reason that is called Snape's worst memory is because bad memories from our childhood are the most damaging - because we were young and vulnerable. Those wounds can last a lifetime (like being told you're funny-looking). By that age Snape wasn't completely innocent, to be sure, because they say that he would attack James whenever he got the chance, but he was still only 15. And at that age, to be hung upside down so your 'graying underpants'and 'skinny, palid legs' (and everything else) showed would have to be one of the most embarassing things that could happen to you.
Also, the reason Snape put that memory in the Pensieve during Harry's lessons could have been because it's about his parents. I can see Dumbledore suggesting to Snape that he hide memories pertaining to Harry's parents to protect Harry but Snape would also want to protect himself from the humiliation, too. A lot of 15-year-olds wouldn't be able to keep from telling everyone about it. Harry didn't because he has that basic decency about him and because he has also suffered humiliation and can empathize with young Snape, even though Snape didn't give him a chance to express that. |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 03:21:54 PM |
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Elisa |
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Ciao, Rowling uses a different way decribing each character, there are some we know a lot of, some we know just the past, some others completely abstracted from the story.
For instance, about Hermione we know just a little bit of her past (her parents), Ron is part of his huge family (we learnt about brothers/sister, parents, animals, color of hair...), three figures have many clues on their past. Harry, Snape and Voldemort; she has teached us to know them in virtue of what it had happened. Snape has a quite acceptable present (except for Tower events), he is terrible with students, but he helps Harry many times...we know he is Slytherin (ex..Deatheater) and we see him as bad through Harry's eyes. For me it's strange, why Harry find just that memory (young Snape) inside his pensieve? He was a murder, why wasn't there a most terrible memory? In the Sourcer's Stone Snape has to be the villain, we were convinced since the begin, but reading the end...he becomes interesting... Voldemort is the evil, there isn't a moment of weakness in his actions, perhaps the fact to be an orphan, induces us a bit of pity to him. If there wasn't these flash backs, those dark characters (with their own shades) wouldn't be so attracting and intriguing. At least for me. |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 10:14:27 AM |
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Jan |
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Carla - Ron turns out to be Voldemort? Sure, why not? His rat turned out to be Peter Pettigrew, after all!!! :oD |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 08:51:22 AM |
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Carla |
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Ok this is going to take me a while coz my computer keeps on pausing :S
I think maybe we might find out some more things about snape from when he was a kid, i mean in Ootp we read about the flashes of Snape's life that harry saw, the flashback in snapes worst memory and now we know about his parents so maybe there might be more to find out there. Maybe his history will reveals more about the man snape :) whatever happends in the 7th book It'll be a surprise thee are too many ways it could go. Sure i guess there willbe people who'll say "i thought so" but i will be a surprise. Oh Jan, just on that note about Ron, it remined me of a parody fanfic i was going to write with my friend on the 7th HP book entitled - Harry Potter and the Unfortunate Hocx. Where everything that happend in the previouse book was just a set up- and voldie turned out to be ron in a costume! :) most of my fics turn out to be parodies. P.S Nirmah i like your rambles :) ;) :p Sry i got a little bit OT :S |
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Saturday, February 25th 2006 - 02:47:06 AM |
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Chris |
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Somehow, based on what I read so far it seems like the main thing that charactrs in HP need to do is MOVE ON. Some have to let go of the past, of what haunts them, some need to grow up (see Ron), some need to put their anger or suffering aside. I don`t think Ron could be evil, not likely.He`s just an ordinary child. Until HBP he wasn`t even a teenagr in the real sense of the word. He was just a CHILD, way behind( emotionally speaking) Harry or Hermione. With Snape, things aren`t that easy. He`s a Slytherin, he has his own agenda, he`s cunning and as you may have observed, has some ol` grudge issues. The only thing that can help Snape redeem hismelf is MOVE ON. Now I don`t know if or how JKR`s going to handle this but I stil think we might be surprised, no matter what path she choose to take. |
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Friday, February 24th 2006 - 02:39:07 PM |
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Jan |
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Felicia - I agree with you completely that Snape is no coward. That's one reason I think the fact that it makes him so angry is from some childhood experience (or experiences). To play double agent - no matter whose side he turns out to be on - takes courage.
I also agree that he must be an exceptional wizard. (And that's just my opinion from the books, having nothing to do with He-who-must-be-adored playing the role! I can't remember the details now, Snape said something to Bella about information he had passed to Voldemort, but as a double-agent, he would have to occasionally show some usefulness to V. or he wouldn't be able to continue. The theories and speculation are just for fun. Personally, if I come up with a theory, judging from past successes - put your money on something else! I'm terrible at figuring out mysteries. But that makes it more fun in the end - I always get surprised! |
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Friday, February 24th 2006 - 11:46:24 AM |
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Felicia |
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Hey =)
It seems to me that Snape didn't help voldermort out very much. Nothing has stuck out to me in the books that snape has told/done for voldermort that has helped him significantly. The only thing he "did do" was kill dumbledore and well thats under discussion and voldermort didn't tell him to. The coward phrase makes me twitch. If he is on dumbledore's side then he certanly is not a coward, seeing as he's going behind the most powerful wizards back. (Personaly i think snape is right up there as being the most powerful wizard.) The seen in HBP where snape tells Harry not to use his own spells against him shows snapes major weakness. Yes i too would be mad if the son of the man who first used my spells against me was trying to do it. It shows that snape can't let go of his past and it effects everything about him. If snape did want voldermort gone, he could really help Harry out but he can't forget what james did, and that carried over to harry as well. Surprisingly i don't think about major plots in the last book. I figure if i don't get a set mind on whats going to happen, i won't be wrong, and i won't be disappointed. I just never feel the real want to plot out the whole 7th book, so i don't have many theories on that subject. =) |
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Friday, February 24th 2006 - 10:46:20 AM |
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Jan |
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Certainly, Snape is not as in control of his emotions as he would like to be. Obviously being called a coward is a particular sore spot with him. It seems that must be something from his childhood, to me.
But, you know the old saying, 'still waters run deep'. Snape is usually extremely controlled - something that AR plays to perfection with that wonderful voice - there are all kinds of things seething under that steady exterior and every once in awhile they boil over. We've gotten a little peek in there in OotP. Snape actually reminds me of people I've known who believe they're in control because they suppress their emotions. But people who suppress their emotions are NOT in control - simply because they do suppress their emotions - that's not healthy. But I can't wait to see more of what makes him tick - especially as played by HWMBA! JKR has said that she has read theories that are so close to the truth that she wondered if she had made it too obvious. However, considering the number of fans who are working on theories, it seems by the laws of probability one of them would be close! She, of course, won't say which. . . . Nahima - you mentioned your favorite characters. I agree - but I don't think that's likely to happen. There is such a thing as too complicated - too many plot twists. There was one very interesting comment made in HBP, I think, that I think will develop into something later. Luna Lovegood mentioned that sometimes Ron could be cruel in things he says (I noticed that, too). I don't believe that Ron IS evil, certainly, and wouldn't want him to be, but since Harry's strength is that he can LOVE, I wonder if Ron's CRUEL tendencies might prove to be a weakness? What affect that could have on the trio overall, I don't know, but I think it will prove important in some way. Well - here's to a complicated but, hopefully, reformed Snape in Book 7! The Snape-replacing-Voldemort thing would be VERY disappointing!!! |
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Thursday, February 23rd 2006 - 05:28:28 PM |
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Nahima |
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Hello Carla!
Snape is such a paradox. Those words from the occlumency lessons are a good example. Obviously, he is describing the way he accomplished his mastering on occlumency and, hence, instructing Harry how to do it himself too. However, Snape is not THAT succesful in hiding his emotions as he prouds to be. Remember when Sirius escaped, Snape got so angry that Fudge thought him to be unbalanced. And warned Dumbledore about it! Ha! (This was really funny!) Other example is Snape's "DON'T CALL ME COWARD!" when he is running out of Hogwarts (HBP). That scream really annoys me, as a matter of fact, it convinced me that Snape cared about Dumbledore, no matter what JKR will end Snape's character (loyal to Voldemort, to DD or to none). If Snape was truly evil at that moment, he would have mocked, sneered or laughed at Harry, that anguished cry did reveal otherwise. JKR states that she has everything plotted, she even has the epilogue? ready (the post ending of her last book, where she'll talk about what happen with the survivors' fate). Anyhow, I've always wondered at what extent is this true. I mean, she said that she is aware of theories and HP fans' ideas about his books. If she ever find out that a major theory is very alike of what she is going to publish later, does any of you think that she won't change the plot a little bit? After all, in order to do her work right, she needs to surprise us, to shock us. The last two books (OoTP and HBP) did shock me a lot. I didn't expect Sirius to die, that took me by surprise, and in spite of suspecting DD's death in HBP I never thought it would occur the way it did. The most visited HP forums has zillions of theories about Snape, I think that nothing has been missed about him. So, for the last book she has a major task to accomplish if she pursues to shock her readers for the last time. I am ready for the worst scenario, for me it will be Snape being evil and traitor to Dumbledore. Second to that, Snape taking the place of Voldemort as the next Dark Lord in turn. Hmmm... maybe the shocking thing will be on other matters. Snape has blown up his cover as a spy, the question is for whom he is working. If he is loyal to Dumbledore, he betrayed Voldemort, and viceversa. So the matter with Snape is not that complex, its one of three options: good, evil or half-and-half. Probably JKR wanted us to be focusing on Snape while she direct her shot to another major character to do the unexpected-shocking thing to us, innocent readers. I will be absolutely shocked if one of my trusted characters turns to the dark side: Lupin, Neville, Luna, one of the Weasleys (except Percy) or Hermione. Oopsss... my ramblings are longer each time. o.O Nice day to all! :D |
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Thursday, February 23rd 2006 - 10:22:05 AM |
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Carla |
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Wow that is a good point about the snape giving warnings thing. I mean it may be the JKR mat not know wether she want snape to be evil or not.. sometimes writers don't decide these things until the end and it affects how the book ties together with the others.
This part is quite intersting Snape has just made Harry remember how Cedric died: "I told you to empty yourself of emotion!" "Yeah? Well, I'm finding that hard at the moment," Harry snarled. "Then you will find yourself easy prey for the Dark Lord!" said Snape savagely. "Fools who wear their hearts proudly on their sleeves, who cannot control their emotions, who wallow in sad memories and allow themselves to be provoked this easily -- weak people, in other words -- they stand no chance against his powers! He will penetrate your mind with absurd ease, Potter An insight to his personality maybe? His power? |
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Thursday, February 23rd 2006 - 02:53:09 AM |
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Nahima |
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Thanks for your help, Jan and Rebecca, with the crooked vs hooked nose thing.
Those words from Snape to Harry are really annoying if we are going to believe Snape to be evil. I mean, why is he still giving lessons to Harry instead of kidnapping him for Voldemort? It was just a matter of "petrificusing" Harry and order one of the death eaters to carry him. Plain and simple. But no, he prevented Harry to get killed or seriously injured and, moreover, left him behind, free. |
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Wednesday, February 22nd 2006 - 12:52:43 PM |
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Chris |
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Jan, I think that was a major clue. I hav to say that my first thought upon finishing reading HBP was "Blasted! He IS evil!" but I have to say that scn was on of th things that mad m change my mind about it and look deeper in the matter. During the Occlumncy lessons, he keeps giving him the same advice over and over again and I think through the rest of the book(s) also, in different ways. I think he might be teaching he what helped HIM through the years. It may not be pleasant but at least it`s effective. He`s definetly aware of the fact that Harry and Voldy WILL meet and that there WILL be a confrontation and Harry has no one to help him after DD`s death. Th way I see it, Snape passed him various "tips" through the books and this is definetly one of them. |
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Wednesday, February 22nd 2006 - 08:13:14 AM |
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Jan |
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To me 'crooked' when applied to a nose means that, from the front the nose is not straight and a 'hooked' nose means not straight from a side view, but with a bump.
I don't know if this has been discussed before but I'd like to know what everyone thinks. I read something on one of the major HP sites about someone thinking that when Snape was fending off Harry's attacks at the end of the chase in HBP and he said to Harry, 'Blocked again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!', Snape meant that to be a warning to Harry. Could be. . .but I wonder. Was it a warning to Harry, shouted as if in anger for the Death Eaters nearby or was it just a jab at Harry? I guess it's all about Good Snape (yay!) / Bad Snape (boo!) Whaddaya think??? :oD |
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Tuesday, February 21st 2006 - 09:18:56 PM |
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Rebecca (Snapeluster) |
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Hey all!
To me, crooked implies off-center, broken at some earlier time, not necessarily hooked. Hooked is more like AR's, with a little "bump". It's not crooked, just hooked. LOL. |
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Tuesday, February 21st 2006 - 06:59:12 PM |
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Nahima |
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Me again...
Do you want to meet the REAL Professor Snape? Click here! :D On another matter... what is the difference between a crooked nose and a hooked nose? I did search the words in a dictionary but the spanish words sound very alike to me. Crooked and hooked, are the same? ~(o.O)~ |
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Tuesday, February 21st 2006 - 06:27:59 PM |
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Nahima |
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Claudia we need an Avada Kedavra here!! (Blasted spams)
Well, "evanesco" would be just fine. Hey people, one question answered from JKR herself: What happens to a secret when the Secret-Keeper dies? "I was surprised that this question won, because it is not the one that I'd have voted for… but hey, if this is what you want to know, this is what you want to know! When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or, to put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else. Just in case you have forgotten exactly how the Fidelius Charm works, it is "an immensely complex spell involving the magical concealment of a secret inside a single, living soul. The information is hidden inside the chosen person, or Secret-Keeper, and is henceforth impossible to find -- unless, of course, the Secret-Keeper chooses to divulge it" (Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban) In other words, a secret (eg, the location of a family in hiding, like the Potters) is enchanted so that it is protected by a single Keeper (in our example, Peter Pettigrew, a.k.a. Wormtail). Thenceforth nobody else – not even the subjects of the secret themselves – can divulge the secret. Even if one of the Potters had been captured, force fed Veritaserum or placed under the Imperius Curse, they would not have been able to give away the whereabouts of the other two. The only people who ever knew their precise location were those whom Wormtail had told directly, but none of them would have been able to pass on the information." Grimmauld Place is safe from Voldemort, don't you think? In the case of Snape being evil (please, don't Jo, don't do that), he can't tell anyone the location of the OoTP headquarters. |
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Tuesday, February 21st 2006 - 03:09:18 PM |
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Macy Kaliyah |
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http://www.amazing-online-casinos.info |
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1952 I decided that experimenting with time and possibly changing online casinos Marty said looking at the meter holding the microphone in the recorder . |
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Tuesday, February 21st 2006 - 05:55:14 AM |
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Nahima |
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Hi girls!
Just to add my two cents on the Quirrell-with-Voldemort-on-his-head thing. Voldemort is an expert in Legilimency and probably knows a lot too of Occlumency, but at the time of Philosopher's Stone he was supposed to be very weak. If I'm not wrong he said something about this to the deatheaters on the cemetery, when he did his comeback, that after the curse hit him back and destroy his body he was not able to do magic without his wand (he didn't have hands to hold it) and that the only power he kept was the ability to possess others' bodies. (?) Anyhow, JKR would manage to explain this some way or another if she decides to shock us to death with a Snape's evil end. Bad Jo, bad! |
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Monday, February 20th 2006 - 11:37:09 AM |
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Carla |
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Speculation land where english has melted my brain |
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Im going to go with slip up, i mean the with a plot that complicated there has to be something to negate part of the plot. But also with most plot related mistakes in multiple books there is, in most cases, something to explain it through, magic or what have you in this case.
But then again who knows (( i'm soo undicided and bad at spelling)) I'll have to read the 1st book again to comment, but that doesn't seem likely for the time being. |
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Monday, February 20th 2006 - 02:17:03 AM |
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Jan |
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There's always Voldemort's Occlumency abilities, though, too. He may have hidden his mind specifically from Snape because he didn't know if he was still loyal, just like Snape told Bella?
It's a another good mystery, though! It could be a slip by JKR but it's probably just another way to keep us guessing! |
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Sunday, February 19th 2006 - 07:01:52 PM |
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Chris |
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Well that`s another hole for us to fill up, Elisa. It is clear to me Snape`s excuses towards Bella where made up. It`s pretty obvious that when he asked Quirell that he was referring to whom he`s loyal, to DD or to himself. BUT BUT BUT one thing strikes me as odd and that is how come Snape didn`t know about Voldy being in Quirell`s body. Him being the great Legillimency/Occlumency expert! I think that was something that even the mighty JKR left out. Either it`s a twist to it or it`s a small mistake on her behalf. |
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Sunday, February 19th 2006 - 03:54:14 PM |
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Elisa |
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Hi,
Laura the album is desolating on Snape's presence...just few apparitions...disappointing. I have many doubles of the same few pix, though (please... someone could help us, explaing how is the double of a sticker called?? I'm curious!!) My daughter asked me a thing, and I turn you the question. HP1 dialogue between Snape and Quirrell (wood). Snape asks Quirrell to whom he gives his loyalty, but why this happens if he thinks Voldemort is dead (according on what he says after to Bella)? Or on the other side if he suspects Quirrell is working for Voldemort, there isn't the risk to reveal to be a spy? |
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Sunday, February 19th 2006 - 03:16:01 PM |
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Laura |
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doppioni di Piton? sorry for writing in italian, I don't know how to call it in english |
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Sunday, February 19th 2006 - 02:03:54 PM |
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Elisa |
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mirtilla19@yahoo.it |
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Ciao,
I know that in this place there aren't any children, so I'm going to be a little OT (soooorry), but in case someone was interested... Well, my daughter has just ended her HP(GoF)'s album, and we have a lot (a mountain) of stickers. Any of us need of them? (Nor I know if they are the same in all the world...) Hugs. |
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Thursday, February 16th 2006 - 02:54:13 PM |
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Nahima |
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Very good news!
It must be amazing to get the chance of visiting a location or to the filming set. Of all HP books, OoTP is the least I liked. I found it very dark, that Umbridge character is abominable and I think Harry endured too much emotional distress, enough to need therapy or something else. O.o However, it has many parts which I will love to see on film such as Sirius' house, with the horrible portrait of his mother and Kreacher! Yack! and the Occlumency lessons (Of course! All Snape parts are essential to me. ;) ) Thinking in advance, they must include the incident of the vanishing cabinet, don't you think? Well, maybe not, in spite of the movies being based on the books, they are made to be seen and liked not only by HP fans. I think this one would be more demanding for Daniel R. in terms of acting, same to the "Neville" boy and Evanna/"Luna" would have all eyes on her. Almost forgot, the dueling scene between Dumbledore and Voldemort!! I want to see that!! Can you imagine it? If in GoF, Dumbledore seemed to be so angry and almost slapped Harry for the goblet thingy, in this movie I believe he will tear apart Voldemort with his own teeth, ha ha! :D |
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Thursday, February 16th 2006 - 12:48:24 PM |
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Carla |
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Well that is good news, but i don't think there was any real doubt that he wouldn't do it. He likes doing Snape,but still its a good to know for definate. |
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Thursday, February 16th 2006 - 01:51:25 AM |
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Rebecca (Snapeluster) |
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Woohoo! OOtP filming from the "horse's mouth!"
I feel so much better...can't wait now. |
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Wednesday, February 15th 2006 - 09:57:08 AM |
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Claudia |
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GA |
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I think there has been some concern about AR doing OotP. A friend in ARExp received a letter from Melanie Parker recently. Since ARExp is a semi-protected site, I'll X out her name. Dear Xxxx,
Thank you again for your letter, I know Mr. Rickman appreciated recieving it. It was very kind of you to take the trouble to write. With kind regards
So....it looks like that is confirmation that he has signed for OotP.
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Wednesday, February 15th 2006 - 08:07:42 AM |
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Nahima |
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I knew you all will enjoy that fanfic! :D
It's the funniest thing I've ever read in a long time. Yeah Chris, what's happening with the casting thing on this movie? Apparently, Gary Oldman's contract is still hanging by the rope, they are negotiating yet. "Sir Nicholas" (I can't wrote the nickname) is the one who explained Harry about death and ghosts after Sirius' departure. That is an special part that obviously will not be deleted, since they're trying to hire John Cleese. Hope all these obstacles would be righted as soon as possible. I suppose this kind of delays may affect the whole schedule and later release of the final product. Happy Saint Valentine's day for everyone! PS. What would I give Snape? *thinking desperately for something PG rated* Oooh yes, I'll give him a bunch of "band-aids". Buckbeak must have scratched him really hard. :LOL: |
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Tuesday, February 14th 2006 - 02:19:07 PM |
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Chris |
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"‘Too much paprika, Severus.’ ‘Not enough dill, Severus.’ ‘The correct internal roasting temperature for a man Macnair’s size is 160 degrees, Severus, not 180.’” He glared. “You were an inestimable headmaster and a noble soldier, Dumbledore, but you don’t know your arse from your elbow about cooking.”
OMG!!!! Nahima!!!! Awsome!!! ROFL ROFL!!! Ahem...this is not a place for naughty thoughts so I can`t say what I`d give Sevvy for St. Valentines. An excerpt from Mugglenet: In other Movie 5 casting news, The Movie Insider is reporting that John Cleese, who played Nearly Headless Nick in the first and second movies, will return as the Gryffindor House Ghost. Update: Order of the Phoenix has now been removed from Cleese's filmography which would indicate he will not return for the film. We'll keep you up-to-date on any developments. ending excerpt. What IS WRONG with this year`s casting? Has everybody gone insane?! It`s a good thing Parvati`s returning and not John Cleese! Yeah. Right! :( |
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Tuesday, February 14th 2006 - 12:55:19 PM |
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Eli |
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"Kissing the Cook" |
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Thanx Nahima, it's one of the funniest thing, I've never read!!
And it explains us all the theories, indeed. This is why, Draco has got Snape's greasy hair! Wow! Chris: my family feels better, thanks for your concern. Hugs. Happy Valentine's Day to all of you...what would you give to Snape? *cough, cough* |
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Tuesday, February 14th 2006 - 04:23:58 AM |
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Carla |
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Just read Snape in the kitchen, god it was funny and cleaver, and i know funny. :)
Once someone suggested that snape could be harry's father just beacuse in... book 4 i think when harry looks in the pensive it said that snapes face melted smoothly into harry's. I just thought i'd suggest a thorey, i out there theory. |
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Tuesday, February 14th 2006 - 02:24:18 AM |
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Jan |
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Pure torture, Elisa! *drool* *sigh* *thud* |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 10:13:46 PM |
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Jan |
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Pure torture, Elisa! *drool* *sigh* *thud* |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 10:13:33 PM |
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Rebecca (Snapeluster) |
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Holy moly, I just read In Snape's Kitchen. I'm still ROFL!!
They covered EVERY SINGLE THEORY (hilariously) *spoiler* Favorite: You don't have to really mean it, you only have to be very cranky for the Avada Kedavra to work!! OMG!! That's perfect. But Hermione just laid out all the theories, and they sound pretty good, huh?! Except for the very last one, that one killed me. |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 07:03:09 PM |
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Nahima |
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Okey dokey Chris!
Here is the link directly to the story: IN SNAPE'S KITCHEN (I think you have to login. It worth the trouble, is really funny!) Thanks for the invitation Carla! |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 06:23:44 PM |
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Chris |
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Elisa- hope your family`s ok and that they`ll feel better soon!
Nahima - OT I`m going to answer your acelerators question by saying "BOGUS"! :)) They have zero effect, trust me! ;) Unfortunately. AND I am going to return your question with this one: "Can you believe I cannot find the fanfic? :) Could anyone be so blind as me?! :) Don`t answer that! :) I`m in denial! Can you please post the complete link? You made me rather *cough* curious...*huge grin* I don`t know what to say about the way they casted the actors for this on, it all seems puzzling to me... And we`ll have to wait until 2007, right? Mwaaaaaah!! I need my toys! I cannot function without my toys!!! |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 09:12:24 AM |
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Elisa |
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Hi, trying to emerge both from a week end spent downloading Alan's pix, videos, caps, news (what a sacrifice! Isn't Jan?) and the flu which "attacked my family"; I looked at news you posted. Thanks.
How it's difficult, for me, to figure out those guys so young... |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 03:49:35 AM |
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Carla |
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http://p201.ezboard.com/bhogwartsschoolofthebraveandtheignorant52899 |
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You scared me for a moment nahima.
When i first skimmed over your post I thought you had written "snapes kitten" and i thought wait i wrote that, then i realised that it said kitchen and i stopped worring plus i realised that i my fanfic was called "snapes cat" not kitten. If your intersted in a Harry potter parody there is a roleplay site that i made with some friends i put the link in the url. |
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Monday, February 13th 2006 - 02:05:12 AM |
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Nahima |
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Hi, it's me again...
I have finished reading the most hilARious fanfic of my whole cybernetic life!! In Snape’s Kitchen by Not Exactly Dickens It is there, in Occlumency Absolutely wicked, summarizes all popular theories in the weirdest and funniest way. :lol: |
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Sunday, February 12th 2006 - 09:18:58 PM |
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Nahima |
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Hello Chris!
Amelia Bones was at Harry's "trial" (there is another word for this) hearing!! Yeah, she was at Harry's hearing for the use of magic when he was not authorized yet to do so. (This happened during the Dementor's attack episode.) It took me by surprise that they hired a well-known actress for such a brief scene. However, you are right. JKR helps the filmmakers with the movie but would not give any kind of information in advance. I cannot avoid to search "the fifth leg of the cat". :D (It's a spanish popular saying, means that one overthink matters seeing things where they are not.) OT - About my downsloooowding... Can you believe that now I have two Download Accelerators but the so-called "acceleration" is still missing? (Maybe it is with Ollivander or Fortescue, but in my pc certainly NOT!) Have a nice Sunday! |
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Sunday, February 12th 2006 - 05:02:54 PM |
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Chris |
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Nahima...that...is...BRILLIANT! I didn`t think of it but then again, isn` she the one on the jury or something? At the trial? Maybe they really needed the character. And I don`t know, I don`t think JKR told the screenwriter that that could be a faked death so that`s why they should include her. But I like your theory better, I must say! :)
OT - I love your "downslooooowding" expression, by the way! :) Don`t worry, it`ll be worth it, especially the bed and the dinner scene! *cheeky wink* |
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Saturday, February 11th 2006 - 06:09:28 AM |
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Nahima |
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No problem Carla! I did read "Nahima" anyway. :D
Great news Chris! So they are going to include Amelia Bones, isn't that curious? *my mind playing tricks on me as usual* Hmmm... if I'm not wrong the actress is an important one, no one new in the business. However she is signing for something similar to a cameo appeareance since her part in OoTP will be very short and she is not supposed to appear again in HBP because the character is not longer alive. Could this mean that Amelia Bones' death may had been a faked one? *back to downslooooowding task* |
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Friday, February 10th 2006 - 07:20:48 PM |
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Chris |
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Hey guys, more news on the casting.
Amelia Bones: Sian Thomas will play the Head of the Magical Law Enforcement Office. She's appeared in several productions for the Royal Shakespeare Company, as well as roles in TV and film. Dudley's gang: Piers Polkiss will be played by Jason Boyd, and Richard Macklin will play Malcolm. Young Wormtail: The Peter Pettigrew Harry sees in Snape's Pensieve will be played by Charles Hughes. Young Lily: We told you on Sunday that she would be played by Susie Shinner and this has now been confirmed. Check out a photo of the actress here. Dawlish: Richard Leaf will play the Ministry Auror. (UPDATE: Picture thanks to RedFlu) Nick Shim: He's set to play Zacharias Smith. So it seems we have the whole gang of Marauders AND some minor characters. Seems like it`s going really well. I think we can expect an announcement on a Young Snape soon! :) Oh! and may I present young James Potter! http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=ootp/robbie-jarvis.jpg |
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Friday, February 10th 2006 - 04:19:45 PM |
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Carla |
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Sorry i spelt your name wrong :S
A thousand apologies "" gets out a piece of paper and starts franticly writing apologies "" |
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Friday, February 10th 2006 - 01:56:01 AM |
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Carla |
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Thats the sentance that got me Nirmah. There are loads of other severus's but that was the most prominant. |
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Friday, February 10th 2006 - 01:53:37 AM |
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Nahima |
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Thanks Carla for that interesting information.
This phrase got my attention: He ruled with vigor and, when he found it useful, a calculated cruelty. My hope of GoodSnape or, at least, Not-so-badSnape has increased a little more now. |
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Thursday, February 9th 2006 - 11:08:39 AM |
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Carla |
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Australia |
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Just with what.. one of you said about the name thing. It seens to have played a promint part in ...i guess (the evil word) "symolism"... I mean
Minerva ~ wise ((which she is)) Sybil ~ prophit Sirius ~ the dog star Hagrid ~ of Hagrid rubes a kind giant in greek myth and so on... There was heaps of severus's hears jusy one Severus was the name of several ancient Roman emperors and later, early saints Roman emperor (193–211), b. Africa. He was campaigning in when the emperor was murdered. His successor lasted three months before he was assassinated.With the empire in disarray, Severus marched on Rome. Proclaimed emperor, Severus went to the East to overthrow the governor of Syria, who had also been proclaimed emperor by his legions. Severus defeated (194) the pretender. He took (196) Byzantium and subdued the rebellious Arabs of Mesopotamia. Returning to the West, another pretender, in Gaul and, returning eastward, attacked and expelled (198) the Parthians from Mesopotamia. In 208, Severus went to Britain. From there he harassed Scotland, but he died at York before completing his plans for a large invasion. Severus built a strong army, increasing the number of legions while eliminating the large commands that had been common for Rome, thus protecting himself against being overthrown while he protected Rome. He ruled with vigor and, when he found it useful, a calculated cruelty. Well, read what you want into this |
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Thursday, February 9th 2006 - 02:20:16 AM |
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Nahima |
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Forgot something, as usual...
Thanks Reedpipe, for your enthusiasm! Now I have one "Duh?", two "eeer...yeah...I think" and one "Yay!" reactions. ;) To answer my own question, I remember a few past theories that I read somewhere, probably in TLC forums but not sure. The most weird was related with the visit of Harry, Ron, Hermione, etc. to St. Mungo's, to visit Arthur after the attack from the snake (OoTP). Do you remember some flurry faced woman there named Agnes? The one that barked when a healer told her that she would receive visit from her son shortly. The theory was that she was Snape's mother and her flurry or haired problem the reason of Snape's return to the good side, since she was probably hexed or cursed by death eaters or Voldemort himself. The author supported it with Snape's supposedly itinerary of his visits to the Order headquarters. Why did Snape go to Grimauld Place in person to tell Harry about the Occlumency lessons? To take advantage of the errand and visit his mother too. o.O |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 08:07:39 PM |
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Nahima |
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OMG, Chris! When I came back, in suicidal mode, I didn't notice your comment...sorry.
Well, I think that everybody in the Order knew about Snape's involvement as spy for Dumbledore after Voldemort's downfall. It's only Dumbledore's word about his innocence that kept Snape away from Azkaban, so only DD knew about Snape's double role at the time. As Reedpipe points out, during the first war there were suspicions among the Order of having a traitor. If they knew about Snape being an Order member, he must have had all fingers pointed toward him as the guilty one for sure. If DD trusted Snape, as he always said, he would have tried to figure out who the traitor was with Snape's help. In order to help DD with this, it would have been necessary for Snape to attend Order meetings, to know the others suspects and analyze their reports, actions, etc. But he could not go as himself, Dumbledore would have had a rough time trying the Marauders to understand his trust in Snivellus. There's the need for a disguise. It is a weird theory and this is the way I "gave birth" to it: I was re reading the part where Moody shows Harry the picture of the original members of the Order of the Phoenix. Molly's brothers were killed together, those remember me of her twins, hope they won't get killed, I like them very much. There was another member, forgot his name, that only were found bits of him. That remember me of Wormtail's trick. As I found this "coincidences", I began thinking if there would be more alike and looked after Caradoc Dearborn's name in the Lexicon. You know the rest of my ramblings. I want Snape to be good!!!! Can't you understand??? ;) :D :D :D :D :D :D (I can hardly wait for the last book, however sometimes I wonder how much I would miss this theory-thing. It's so funny!) By the way, what is the most weird theory you all have read? (Besides mine) o.O |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 07:49:20 PM |
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Reedpipe |
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Okay, I just reread my last post and realize that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What I meant to say is that maybe Snape has been an Order member for much longer than we've realized thus far, thus making his turn from the Dark Side much sooner than we originally thought. |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 04:38:26 PM |
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Reedpipe |
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Ohhh, Nahima, I like that theory! Perhaps Snape had to be disguised as Dearborn because the Order was already afraid there was a mole among them? Maybe Snape was privy to information from Voldemort himself that someone was spying for Voldie in the Order (after all, this would have been before Snape would have started spying for Voldie . . . is that right?), and therefore he would have wanted to keep his identity hidden. Maybe the Dearborn disguise has something to do with why DD trusted him???? Oh, the possibilities! *rubs hands with glee* |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 04:32:52 PM |
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Nahima |
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*in suicidal mode*
Eeer... forgot to clear something else: "Caradoc Dearborn, vanished six months after this, we never found his body." (From OoTP, when Moody is showing Harry the picture of the original members of the Order) *returning to my hiding place* |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 12:01:29 PM |
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Chris |
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I heard JKR saying she really loves that name. Also, I liked the Prince reference and the "Roman" one. Because on a quick search for Severus you`ll find out that he was a Roman Emperor who, although he was quite tough, managed to restore balance in the Empire. I always loved that particular detail. But I don`t know, it IS kinda wild, so to speak. :) But what could be the reason for him to impersonat someone else? Everybody knew he was a spy after all. I`d like to hear more about this! :) |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 11:59:44 AM |
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Nahima |
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Seems that I did a mess with the bold thingy. I just wanted to stand out the "Prince" word only. *blush*
By the way, the theory about "the two-sided mirror is an horcrux" is not mine. It is Chris'. ;) :D :D :D :D *running harder than ever* |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 11:55:58 AM |
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Nahima |
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Hi Elisa, nope, as far as I know, there's nothing about Snape still... I used to believe that prior to begin filming all casts should be done, however it doesn't seems so. Since the filming takes so long, apparently is usual to be signing, casting and other things along with the filming itself.
I lost track of our conversations here, so I'm going to share a theory of mine super-mega wild!!! Please, easy with me, this may be weirder than "the two-sided mirror is an horcrux" one. I put it first on TLC forums some time ago and got one "duh?", two "eer... yeah...I think..." responses. :D OK, the main idea is that Snape and Caradoc Dearborn could have been the same person. (Wait!! Hold your tomatoes a little more, please!!) If Snape was working for Dumbledore in the first war, as a spy, he might have been an Order member but undercover. Working for Dumbledore is the same as working for the Order, it is Dumbledore's Order after all. Among the original members were one Caradoc Dearborn whose last name made me wonder. I remember Jo's quote about Snape being love by someone. The most probably person that loved Snape was his own mother, the lady who gave him his Prince blood inheritance. Researching in the Lexicon, found this. Dearborn, Caradoc Member of the original Order of the Phoenix; missing and presumed dead. Caradoc was a British Celtic Prince,/b> (usually Latinised to to Caractacus) who led a rebellion against Roman rule (Thanks to Ross Gillson). Snape could have been able to attend Order's meetings (during the first war) disguising himself as another person. Dumbledore could have helped with that since it is an idea alike the faked deaths one, the one that DD suggested to Draco. What do you think? *running and hiding again until it is safe to return* :D |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 11:50:08 AM |
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Elisa |
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Thanx Nahima for news, I'm happy to see, too, a likeable Jason Isaacs!!
Any on young Snape? |
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Wednesday, February 8th 2006 - 01:51:55 AM |
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Nahima |
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I'm back... 0.0
Good news! WB Confirms Oldman, Thewlis Back for Order of the Phoenix TLC is very happy to report to you that Warner Brothers has put an end to the speculation from earlier today, and confirmed to us that in fact, Gary Oldman will return in the role of Sirius Black for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. There is further good news today , for WB also confirmed that actor David Thewlis will be reprising his role as Remus Lupin for Phoenix as well. They will be filming their parts later this summer. Yay! The last sentence got my attention fully. I think probable that AR would be filming his part at the same time as GO & DT, I remember at least one scene between Snape and Sirius (their fighting in Grimauld Place) that must be filmed!!! |
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Tuesday, February 7th 2006 - 05:04:40 PM |
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Nahima |
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Me again...
Here is more information about Sirius... It is obvious that the character is going to appear...hmmm... Harry Potter's 'Phoenix' Begins Rising Next Week Now I'm gone... |
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Tuesday, February 7th 2006 - 09:58:44 AM |
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Nahima |
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OMG! What a lot to read!
I was hiding so perfectly that got lost... just my style. Hey, I found this on Mugglenet, hope it changes, Sirius is essential to this 5th movie and Gary Oldman IS Sirius. Gary Oldman cut from Movie 5? His manager told GaryOldman.info: "You will be shocked and surprised to learn that at this time there are no plans for Gary to appear in the next Harry Potter film. To say we are puzzled on this side about this is an understatement at the every least! You may feel free to post this info. If the situation changes, I will let you know... There would be no objection from me if fans wrote letters to Warners about this!" There's something else I want to comment but have to do some errands, see you later! |
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Tuesday, February 7th 2006 - 09:47:21 AM |
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Jan |
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I agree about Tonks except the new big picture looks a little more impish - with lighting, costume, etc. she could work.?
Luna is the one who doesn't seem right to me. I have a very different picture in my mind - thinner, maybe, and a little goofy-looking. The face in my mind is someone from my own school days. She wasn't goofy but she had the right look. If they're really good actresses, after we see it they will become those characters, probably. |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 03:44:01 PM |
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Chris |
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Er, well Harry should also have GREEN yes and where are those?
Personally I`m still in shock after seing the actress who was cast as Tonks. Like...I had a totally different image in my head regarding her appearence. I`m really in the mood for some posters or promo shots right now....and the waiting is UNBEARABLE!!!!! *cries like a kid without his candy* Give me candy, people!!!! |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 10:39:04 AM |
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Jan |
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That's a good point, Elisa! I never thought of that. Everyone says Harry has his mother's eyes, so they'd better look alike! I guess we might have to just use our imagination. Or else they should cast one of Dan Radcliffe's relatives (Hee,hee,hee!).
OR - with computer graphics what they are today, they could have them both act the scenes and paste Dan's eyes onto her face!!! Yechhh. ROTFLOL |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 08:15:07 AM |
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Elisa |
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Thanx Chris for Lily pic.
I'm understanding why all were involved by her...but where are Harry's famous eyes? Poor Snivellus... |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 05:19:56 AM |
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Chris |
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If THIS one has a lot of Snape, try thinking of what HBP will be like! ;)
Everyone, may I present Lily! http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=ootp/susieshinner.jpg Kinda cute, eh? |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 01:58:07 AM |
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Carla |
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http://p201.ezboard.com/bhogwartsschoolofthebraveandtheignorant52899 |
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CHRIS: thanks for posting the new cast list, i hadn't seen it before. I think the role of P. Umpbridge is a good choice. They better have the whole pensive scene, that was one of my fav's in the book. It'll be one of the best movie coz it'll have alot more of AR :) ;) |
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Monday, February 6th 2006 - 01:54:33 AM |
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Jan |
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Sometime when I do it fast, only one moves at a time. Just now I made circles around his eyes and for about 3 or 4 circles only the one on the right side (his left) went around and around and then it stopped and the other one went around a couple of times and then both. Whooo! Crazy Harry! |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 07:52:17 PM |
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Chris |
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Jan thanks for the head up, that is histerycal!!! And it`s not ONE eye, it`s both of them! Moody Harry! ROFL
Hermione? Damn perverts! :))) As if we aren`t! LOL You know, I think Snape giving us a kiss would be pretty lame, I vote for the eye brow! That has a much more...intense *cough* effect on me! |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 03:03:14 PM |
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Jan |
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Has anyone noticed on the new Leaky Cauldron layout that when you move your cursor only ONE of Harry's eyes follows it most of the time? Very strange!
Have you put your cursor on Harry's mouth - cute! They have a poll for who you want to see animated at the top next and Severus Snape is a little ahead of Hermione. If you want a little kiss from AR, be sure to vote! Or maybe they'll have him frown when you point at him. . . . |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 02:16:51 PM |
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Chris |
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Very professional Ashley, are you sure you haven`t forgotten anyone? :)
Ok, on with it! Elisa: oh don`t SAY THAT! *shivers* No, dear, there couldn`t possibly be ANY other use for casting a young James and Lily BUT for the Pensive scene. That is clearly included, all the major sites confirmed it BUT what I was asking was how come we haven`t heard anything about the actor who`s going to play young Snape? Geeesh, these people have a problem with him! Neither the young nor the old *cugh* I meant MATURE :) one has ben confirmed. And I think they could manage the scene without casting the other Marauders. I would not aprove but it can be done. So much has been left out , it shouldn`t come as a surprise. BUT Snape? Come on, they can`t cut HIM out! Whatver happend to WB this year, eh? Shooting starts on Monday and they only confirmed the following: Daniel Radcliffe - Harry Potter - Rupert Grint - Ron Weasley - Emma Watson - Hermione Granger - Jason Isaacs - Lucius Malfoy - Ralph Fiennes - Voldemort - Chris Rankin - Percy Weasley - Katie Leung - Cho Chang - Devon Murray - Seamus Finnigan - Evanna Lynch - Luna Lovegood - Natalia Tena - Nymphadora Tonks - Imelda Staunton - Dolores Umbridge - Helen McCrory - Bellatrix Lestrange - Robbie Jarvis - (young) James Potter - George Harris - Kingsley Shacklebolt - Michael Wildman - Magorian But com to think about it, it`s just the kids and the newcomers so we shouldn`t worry about it too much. It`s just frustrating. Jan, I wish I could point another theory but I agree completely with the dream thingy. :) |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 01:35:43 PM |
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ashley |
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i like it |
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foxracing_ashleyludwig@hotmail.com |
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http://www.wheniwasbabyandnow.piczo.com |
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hey alan this is ashley ludwig i was wondering if you can go on my website and sign the guestbook please and think you.i am 14 yrs old and my b-day is on oct 23 1991.I have friends adn family my friends are cassandra guy,shentel,kirsten.my family are my aunt debbie my aunt judy my uncle tim,my uncle terry,my cuzin kayla my cuzin sammy,my cuzin tara,my cuzin corey,my mom and dad o and me lol. |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 01:19:55 PM |
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Jan |
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Elisa - Because the dream isn't about being sorted. It's a dream that comes from his connection with Voldemort, just like in Goblet of Fire. These dreams come from a magical connection and are not just normal dreams. He sees the turban because that's where Voldemort is just as in GoF he saw the room where Voldemort was.
It doesn't matter what Harry knows or doesn't know because the dream is coming directly from Voldemort (not that he's sending it - he wouldn't know about the connection yet, either, since he (V) didn't in GoF, either. It wasn't until OotP that Voldemort realized what was happening, as I recall. The turban saying his destiny is Slytherin is mainly, I think, just a clue to us. From Harry's point of view (in his world), it is probably because Tom Riddle's destiny was Slytherin and he's dreaming about him. I said in my earlier post that it was combined with Harry's memory of being sorted, but now I think that's not right - it's completely about Voldemort. This is the way I see it, anyway. Anyone else have a different 'take' on this? |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 10:19:46 AM |
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Elisa |
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Hi everyone,
Jan:...so Harry's mind combined the two and heard the turban talking, saying he should be in Slytherin. Does that sound logical? Elisa: Yes, it can sound logical. On the other side, I'm so astonished that he dream the turban, why not the Sorting Hat? Or why not Snape telling him about Slytherin house? It's a Harry's good intuition, at that point of the story. The evening before, it seems that the scar hurt 'cause of Snape glance, and then...he looks at the turban as something of dangerous. Harry is so farsighted in that dream...isn't? Chris: According of that you posted, do we have to prepare not to see Snivellus? Not to see that scene? And why a young Lily, well? No... |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 08:36:13 AM |
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Hey guys! General news if you haven`t heard!
OOTP : Filming begins Monday in Hertfordshire, a county in southern England. Rumour is they casted a 17 year old for Lily and some othr actor for Grawp. I now think it`s VERY possible to leave the other Marauders out. But where`s Snivellus? ;) |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 04:17:14 AM |
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Claudia |
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kathy had the idea of asking some of the HP sites to post the Just Giving site for the RADA donation. I think that some of the sites did post the link on their sites but I can't remember which ones. Since I'm not the big HP fan, I thought maybe some of you that are might contact some of the sites and ask them to post the link. Would ya....could ya???? *grin*
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 02:43:57 AM |
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I think i'm definatly in the not evil camp.
There are alot of things i don't want to happen in the last book, and the two i definatly don't want to happen are that a) i don't want snape to die and b) i don't want him to be evil. If any of these things happen i think i will just fling the book away. |
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Sunday, February 5th 2006 - 01:23:53 AM |
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Hi, Elisa!
I think, even then, Voldemort was connected with Harry. Later, Harry was actually seeing Voldie's thoughts and actions in his dreams, but early on he could have just been picking up impressions. Voldie was behind the turban so he saw it and the sorting hat had told him he would be good in Slytherin so Harry's mind combined the two and heard the turban talking, saying he should be in Slytherin. Does that sound logical? |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 08:23:56 PM |
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Elisa (again) |
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Opps...If you're asking yourself --Who's that Raptor? -- well, he's prof. Quirrell!!! I'm losing my mind...Sorry..
I can't understan, why they chose a translation which isn't Italian at all. A mistery more than a Horcrux. Hugs. |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 04:40:36 PM |
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Elisa (again) |
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Opps...If you're asking yourself --Who's that Raptor? -- well, he's prof. Quirrell!!! I'm losing my mind...Sorry..
I can't understan, why they chose a translation which isn't Italian at all. A mistery more than a Horcrux. Hugs. |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 04:40:30 PM |
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Ciao, there is a passage in HP S's Stone I haven't payed attention before. The first night spent at Hogwarts, Harry dreams of Raptor's turban, it's on his head telling him that his destiny is to be Slytherin. At that time, Harry knows just that Voldemort killed his parents, that he was a Slytherin like all other bad wizards, nothing more. I can understand his fear of being put in the Slytherin house, but the turban...(we know that the turban is Voldemort but he doesn't)..why should he think that? |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 04:29:59 PM |
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Chris - yes, Snape gave Umbridge a fake potion but, also, Harry only pretended to drink and didn't really - threw it away or spit it out or whatever when she wasn't looking.
I don't necessarily think DD & Snape had a UV - it was just a possibility that came to mind. But Snape did form one with Bellatrix (possibly in order to prove loyalty?) why not with DD? He had to do something that would satisfy DD. I just CAN'T buy the DD/dimwit theme (well, that's the way I see it). To have the wool pulled over his eyes so easily - NAH! I don't see it as 'shallow', though. In what way? Too obvious, or what? To me, 'shallow' means 'on the surface only, with no depth.' Like a shallow person who cares only about people's looks. Am I missing something? Not a rare thing that I do! Anyway, though, DD could not have MADE Snape make the vow, he could have said 'I need you to do this in order to prove your loyalty' and then it would be up to Snape how important it was to him to actually join the Order as opposed to simply leaving the DE. Joining the Order and taking a position at Hogwarts was not the only option if he had changed his mind. Of course he couldn't let Voldie know that he had left the DE because if you do that - you're dead, so I don't know how he would have worked that out. Well, that's not an issue because it's not what he did. Personally I lean more towards DD requiring Snape to open his mind to him in SOME way with an assurance of NO OCCLUMENCY. I don't know how that could work - it's just an idea I was throwing around, too. I really can't figure out what was the proof. It's just FRUSTRATING!!! Have a great weekend, all! |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 10:49:49 AM |
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Oh this really made me feel awkward! I opened th Mugglenet page and the first thing that I saw was the quote at the random quotes section.
'Course Dumbledore trusts you, he's a trusting man, isn't he? Believes in second chances. But me — I say there are spots that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come off, d'you know what I mean? Imposter Moody Goblet of Fire, Chapter 25, Page 472' And this is a recurrent theme in the books, I don`t think there`s ANY character that benefits from that kind of "attention". Everybody`s warning everybody about Snape.But then look, the same thing happens in the DEs "camp". Bella, PP, Barty Crouch Jr and I`m sure MANY others feel the same way. It`s obvious that if Snape works for the "dark side", Voldy hasn`t informed any of his followers upon the matter. The whole thing is pretty rotten and what really gets me is the fact that although he xplains his deds to Bella, he doesn`t sem to be too affected by the impression he leaves on other people. Sure, he wants rcognision, but he`s not willing to suck up to anyone to get it. I think that`s one of the many things that sets him and PP appart. But do you eally think the reason whu DD trusted him was that they had an UV? I don`t know about you but hat seems rather shallow to me. HOW could h have made him do it? Snape would have never accepted it. Or perhaps DD was like Lily, only wanting to see the good in people and thought that his confidence would make his former student return to the "light"? But no, he wouldn`t have risked that much, with him teaching innocent children! These teaching positions are a pretty awkward twist, especially the DADA position. Oh please, can someone remind me of what happend in 5, with Harry and the Veritaserum? When Umbridge questioned him? What was it, Snape gave him a fake potion? |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 07:12:40 AM |
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Yes, and you must remember that Dumbledore pleading for his life was Harry's interpretation of what he saw. The whole thing is told from his viewpoint. Harry's been wrong before - he was just certain that Snape was trying to kill him when, in fact, although Snape hates him, he was saving his life (book one). You have to wonder what else is Harry wrong/right about, eh? |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 06:24:42 AM |
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Chris |
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Carla, I think one of THE most obvious thing in the last book so far is that DD was NOT pleading for his life but for something else. Did it had something to do with the Order, with his DEATH or with Harry, we`ll never get to the bottom of this until JKR points it out in the last book.
Heh, I remmber whn I first read HBP and was totally shocked, then I spent a whole night thinking about its hidden meanings and then guss what! I came up with this wild theory that DD was NOT pleading for his life and that he and Snape had a secret pact of some sort. I was SO EXCITED only to read JKR`s interview with Leacky and Mugglent and then all the essays that etarted emerging on various sits just to realize EVEYBODY has thought about it! ONCE, I`d like to have somthing of my own! ;) |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 04:09:36 AM |
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Carla |
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Too many posts and now i'm geting confused. :)
Ok, with "draco's task" that is a point about the job JUST being to bring in the death eaters, what would the accoplished? just to run amuck? Or that was an intersting point maybe to get a horcucks because voldie fond out that DD was rounding them up. There was an interesting thing my friend pointed out she thought that dumbledores personality was a bit different to the other books, the main bit she thought was a bit odd was went Snape was about to kill him, he was pleading for his life in a way, she thought he would be stronger, or (( to twist your mind, i will add)) to show us that he knew this was the end and there as no escape, so all he had left was to plead. |
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Saturday, February 4th 2006 - 02:08:16 AM |
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Chris - not tireless, just semi-retired (no job) in the middle of the woods in winter with lots of time on my hands!
Elisa - I've know several people who weren't afraid to die when the time came - an Aunt, an Uncle, my mother(s), and a sister-in-law. And that's just in my family! No, some people are at peace with death by the time it comes. Dumbledore was, I'm sure. Of course Nearly-Headless Nick did die, but he was afraid to go all the way into the unknown so he lingered in a sort of half-life at Hogwarts. I think the mirror is going to be significant - only, as Reedpipe said, not in the way we expect. Also, it certainly did increase the sense of loss Harry felt through the hope of contact then loss of hope, Chris. WHAT is she trying to do to us? Of course, the books were originally for children and children need to learn how to deal with loss and all of the rest of the unhappier side of life. She said once something about how a child who doesn't know about Dementors won't know what to do when they're faced with one. Or whatever - I don't know - something like that! The mirror a horcrux! Oooooh! Hmmm. . . |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 07:32:41 PM |
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Oops, forgot to mention that I've posted the link above!
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 06:25:59 PM |
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sue gave us heads up that Catherine has posted the RADA donation site for AR's birthday! Happy donating everyone!
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 06:25:27 PM |
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reading the Editorial in Mugglenet before get killed |
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Of course Chris, the two-way mirror must be an horcrux!!!
How can we missed it?? Ha ha ha ha! :D (Typical of me, risking my own skin just for laughing purposes.) *running for my dear life* |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 05:50:17 PM |
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Ok, last post for today! I couldn`t help it! I think she meant that the mirror will not help Harry communicate with Sirius in any way.Cause that`s wat anyone expectd. But I`m warning you, if anyone comes up with the theory that the mirror is a horcrux, I think I`m going to kill him/her! ;) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:56:02 PM |
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I'm in, Chris! ;)
JKR said something about Sirius' mirror before HBP came out. I think someone had asked her whether the mirror would help Harry in one of the later books and she responded by saying "Yes, it will, but probably not in the way you think," or something like that. I've never been too sure what to make of that, but we can at least be sure that we'll be seeing that darn mirror again. |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:38:26 PM |
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Elisa , regarding Sirius, what can I say? I don`t think he feared death. The mirror gave me the creeps! It seemd so pointless to me! Harry remembered it only AFTER his death! He could have saved him but he didn`t. So in my opinion, there can be only two options:
1. JKR gave us that for the solely purpous of torturing us! :) No, seriously, she may have tossed it in just to increase the sadness of it all. I think that was a great effect and very well thought by an author. 2. It may have a purpouse later in book 7 because I don`t think she ever gave us details upon an object she did not intend to use later on. Remember, even the necklace in HBP! That was a brilliant piece! I never saw it coming and I swore to myself I`d pay attention to every single detail while reading. Hey, I think it`s possible that I`ve already posted this link but in case I didn`t, you HAVE to check it out! It`s a nice editorial that takes a deeper look at all possible scenarios in the case "did Snape knew about the Horcruxes and is he loyal to DD?' http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-aaburizik01.shtml Copy/paste it! Now! ;) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:19:34 PM |
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Thanks for explanations, even if who isn't afraid to die? Isn't there something/someone one doens't want to leave? And Sirius where has he gone? What do you think of the little mirror he left?
I agree with you Nahima, Wormatail is neither fish or flesh...or Scrabber. I come back in my wall picture, sleeping. Night. |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:05:18 PM |
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Ups, a double attack on me! :)
Reedpipe, I think we should sell! :) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:03:00 PM |
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Chris |
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Jan, I`m really starting to like you! You`re tireless! :)
OHOHO! Look what I got! A picture of Figgy and THE one and only scumRAT! :) Feast your eyes with this, my fellow witches! http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/7353_001_thumb.jpg |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:01:38 PM |
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Jan, I`m really starting to like you! You`re tireless! :)
OHOHO! Look what I got! A picture of Figgy and THE one and only RAT! :) Feast your ys with this, my fellow witches! http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/7353_001_thumb.jpg |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 04:01:20 PM |
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Jan, all you of you do bend my mind!!! LOL Seriously, I love the comments and speculation here. With all the theories we've been putting forth, one of 'em is bound to be right!!! |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 03:57:19 PM |
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Yes, Nahima, that's the idea - that two statements were made by Draco and DD could have been answering either one - I think he was answering the first.
As far as PP being placed in Gryffindor - I doubt the sorting hat made a mistake, although I love the drunk hat theory! Although the hat put Harry in Gryffindor I think that Harry didn't ask for Gryffindor but only 'not Slytherin.' Am I right? Memory. . . . DD told Harry that the fact that he pulled Gryffindor's sword out of the sorting hat in the Chamber of Secrets indicated that he was a true Gryffindor. Therefore - at last - I believe it was no accident that PP was put there. Either something changed PP in the years in between or there's something we haven't been told (so what else is new?). I'm not sure we are certain about Voldie's instructions to Draco - it's never spelled out for us. That's a good point. And the idea that Snape was using legilimancy on Narcissa is very interesting. We know Bellatrix was able to teach Draco Occlumency (Snape detected it) and the simple fact that she had to teach it to Draco indicates that Narcissa couldn't - therefore doesn't likely know it herself. Make sense? We know that DD had been seriously weakened in his last two excursions to get horcruxes, but would Voldemort have known that? Only if Snape had told him. In that case, he might have told Draco to kill DD, knowing he would be weakened. We don't know exactly when the first hand-withering thing happened - before V's order to Draco or not - but he if he knew about that and Snape was able to tell him that DD was planning to go after the other one, V would know what that last attempt would do to DD. But that assumes that DD shared his plan with Snape. I don't believe this is the case, but partly because I don't want Snape to have done that! He-who-must-be-adored must not turn out to be truly evil, I say!!! Are you listening, JKR? Hear us, O wise and powerful author! Uh - er - back to the point. True, DD overpowered many in OotP, but that was not in a weakened condition. Also, although the idea of V wanting Death Eaters in Hogwarts to find something appeals to me, the DEs would then have done exactly that rather than going to the Astronomy Tower with Draco. He's a kid - they would ignore him. Also, one or two of them (can't remember) were anxious to finish off DD themselves when it appeared Draco couldn't. The only reason for them to go to the Astronomy Tower, I think, was because DD was there. |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 01:09:49 PM |
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Oh I`m begining to love this place more and more! Guys, chck this out! "Bella"`s not that bad after all!
http://img214.exs.cx/img214/2334/helenmccrory9rg.jpg A very clear and correct explanation, Jan! Yes, people become ghosts when they are affraid to move on or "cling to some desperate hope" *wink* . Could it be that Draco`s task was only to get the DEs inside Hogwarts and had nothing to do with DD? H WAS complaining about it to Moaning Myrtle, I don`t think he was reffering to a way to kill DD. He could have done that without bringing the DEs on board. Yes, I must say it`s starting to make sense. This is more likely to be the task at hand but then how can you explain DD`s murder? Why did Snape do it? It wouldn`t have been THAT ncessary for his cover...And why did Draco say that Voldy will kill him if he doesn`t do it? Oh great! Now I`m argueing with myself! ;) Why wer th DEs ther? To be sure Draco gets the job done? Yeah I tink so...Oh someone enlighten me before I completely lose my cabbage! :) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 12:28:19 PM |
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Yeah Jan, that's right.
Thanks for the other possible explanation of DD's answer to Draco (the 'Of course that is what he would tell you. . .' thing). It never ocurred to me that one because I took the dialogue like a ping-pong game, but you're right, when two persons are talking the responses somewhat tend to cross or interlace. That's the idea, isn't it? Elisa, Wormtail chose to hide himself in a wizarding family home to be aware of any news that could concern or interest him, like Voldemort's whereabouts or reappareance for example. Apparently, he betrayed the Potters because of fear to be killed himself, he said Voldemort forced him. I think Pettigrew to be more Slytherin than Slytherin himself, he only cared about his own skin. Yeah Chris, Tonks' cast is odd too. Maybe it is just a matter of some make-up tricks, costume, wigs or colored hair, and they'll be just fine. By now, I can't picture them as Tonks and Bellatrix. I agree with you, Voldemort will be very surprised and maybe not in the best of moods. He was disobeyed and, worst than that, other prove himself capable of doing something that Voldemort never could. And related with this "disobedience", I have another weird thought about it. Do we can be sure about what Draco's task was after all? Prior to make the UV with Narcissa, Snape "black eyes were fixed upon Narcissa's tear-filled blue ones". Legilimency?? To support my idea I'll answer "Yeah, legilimency!!" What if Snape was able to see the exact words Voldemort used when ordering Draco's task? Therefore, he was able to see a loophole there and agreed to the UV, knowingly that it was possible to do the trick. For example, "Draco, you will get rid off Dumbledore" instead of "you must kill him". I know, sounds really fishy... :D (JKR maniac laughter at the background) Carla, I find very odd the whole thing. You'll notice it by my wild theories. *blush* We have seen Dumbledore paralizing aurors in his office (including the Minister of Magic if I'm not wrong)without too much effort. In the Department of Mysteries he immobilised a dozen death eaters with one spell. Even Voldemort could not defeat him during that episode, choosing to escape instead. Dumbledore is really powerful, Draco wouldn't stand a chance and Voldemort knew that. It is a very twisted way to punish the Malfoys, why do not simply use the cruciatus? I mean, Lucius made two failures, first with the diary and later losing the prophecy, but SNAPE DID WORST and was never punished as far as we know. Voldemort's first downfall, when he turned to vapour and then wasted years and years waiting for help, was because Snape misinformed him, telling just a part of a prophecy that lead him to a wrong decision. Of course, only Voldemort is responsible of his own decisions but if Snape didn't tell him that information, nothing would have happened. I'm considering that maybe what Voldemort truly wanted Draco to accomplish was to find a way to sneak death eaters in Hogwarts. Maybe to snatch an horcrux hidden in the RoR? Or something else, there must be something in Hogwarts that Voldemort needs or wants, that's why he wanted to teach there IMO. (More hystherical laughter from JKR) :D |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 10:51:59 AM |
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Elisa - I remember this:
1 - that the portraits are a kind of 'memory imprint' of a person, although they can act on orders, as when DD sent one to the hospital to check on Mr. Weasley and she reported back when he arrived. Like the Marauder's map can respond to current happenings (Snape saying 'Reveal your secrets' and getting an insult back) but there is no actual personality in there. 2 - That Nearly-Headless Nick told Harry that he was a ghost because he was afraid to die, to move on. |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 08:15:02 AM |
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Hi everyone, I read all your posts, what funny thinking of Sorting Hat and its troubles with drinking!!!
Why Wormtail spent so much time with Weasley's family? And why did he betray the Potters? I can't remember, were there some signs before that episode? About the other point, which is the difference between a ghost and a pictures on the wall? Why does someone become a ghost, someone a picture and someone else anything? |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 07:49:45 AM |
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PS: Tonks doesn`t match my picture of her either. :( |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 05:48:07 AM |
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Carla, don`t worry about a thing, I`m sure Voldy never even THOUGHT that Draco killing DD could be possible. I`m sure he did it just as a way to punish the Malfoy`s for Lucius incompetence. But what`d ya know? Narcissa made an intersting choice, Snape HAD no choice, Draco HAD a choice and chickened out while DD made the best choice possible of all. Like that? :) Anyway, the news will DEFINTLY surprise Voldy and it`s very likely neither Draco (who`s mother asked for help thereby fooling Voldy) or Snape (for obvious reasons) will encounter some...let`s say difficulties, concerning their relationship with their "Master".
Someone (sorry, can`t remember, memory th size of a peanut- this one!) asked wheter anyone else might know about the possible agreement between Snape and DD. I don`t know....I don`t think Harry could find that out from DD`s picture in the Headmaster`s study. Why? JKR said that those pople in the paintings only repeat and do things that were important in their livs. Probably DD`s cathphrase will be something in the lines of " Harry, have you ever eaten bugger flavoured Cauldron Cakes?" :) Also, JKR could have given us a clue at the end of HBP when DD`s painting appeared on the wall but h was simply asleep. :( And I don`t think any member of th order knew about this. Why? Because when the news is out, evrybody seems to be in shock! They all question themselves how could they ever trustd (at least partly) Snap and DD`s judgement upon him. Plus think about it! If anyone knew, that SOMEONE would have been totally against it and I don`t think DD could have risked that. ID ther was a pact I think it`s highly possible we should find that from`s Snape`s mouth. There HAS to be a confrontation between him and Harry and it`s very likely to be set at the end of Book7, where many questions will be answerd. I`v read an interesting theory, that Harry will manage to kill Voldy but then Snape will take his place and become the new dark lord! ROFL The Mastr and the Apprentice! This is soooo Star Wars like! :) I don`t think PP`s "loyalty" to Voldy could b called courage becaus it`s bassicly mae out of fear. He`s the type of person who`s always on the side of who has more power. Hmmm...see any rsemblance to Snape? But no! OF we are to believe that ther is one thing that would get in the way! Voldy has rached the culmination of his power right before The episode at Godric`s Hollow and we are told he switched sides BEFORE his downfall. Oh don`t let me down, Sev! :) About the casting - I har you Nahima, I agree with every single on except Bellatrix. But maybe that was a bad picture. And the truth is she doesn`t have to b the prettiest pencil in the drawer, although that was how I imagined her. Please excuse the bad typo, the keyboard`s kinda sticky after I spilt som juice on it yestrday. :) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 05:46:54 AM |
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There are so many thories going around.
I haven't read the new cast list... I'll have to do that. My friends have always said i'd make a great Luna... I just had a thought... maybe... and this is far fetched... that voldie never meant Malfoy to kill dumbledore... and suggestd it to see where his loyalties lie (why who knows). And Malfoys mother went to snape made him give the vow, while all this time voldie dosn't know that dumbledore is really going to die... ect... you can do the math. (( i mention this erelvent theorie because i haven't quite court up with the other thing that your talking about :) )) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have to apologize. My main is wobbly when it comes to HP I've been through all the theories concerning snape, through the years, and this was before i knew who Alan rickman was, because i'm the HP generation. And a Fanfic a wrote once that consumed me for a while, made me make up things that sounded plausable but never really happened. :) |
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Friday, February 3rd 2006 - 02:11:44 AM |
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Chris - Snape standing in harm's way to protect the trio in PoA is so completely different from the books where Snape was actually unconcious until the whole thing was over and he just came to his own conclusions about what happened. But I just can't believe that AR is 'tired of playing baddies' - he simply wouldn't have accepted the part. His past choices of parts show that he enjoys playing a wide variety of roles. I really think that he knows more than we do - not that Snape is 'bad' or 'good'. In life, people are never that simple. AR's comments have indicated that it's the complexity of the character that interests him (in the same interview you mention.) Snape is very likely both bad and good (like the rest of us), it's just a question of which side wins out. We can only hope that HE-WHO-MUST-BE-ADORED (AR, not Snape) falls mostly on the 'good' side!
That's a really good question about Peter being sorted into Gryffindor - but there must be a reason. He seems like a coward, but being hand-maiden to Voldemort can't be a real secure position to be in - maybe that takes a kind of bravery? I wonder, too, why Voldemort sent Peter to live with Snape. As far as Voldemort trusting - I don't think he would ever trust anyone completely. It was discussed previously whether Snape knew Voldie's whole plot in OotP - especially about convincing Harry that Sirius was kidnapped. I doubt Voldie would confide in anyone completely - no good warlord does. They don't trust anyone. As far as why DD trusts Snape: In HBP, just before going after the horcrux, Harry asks DD why he trusts Snape and DD simply refuses to say. I think, though, that DD would require something extreme in order to trust a former Death Eater. Certainly not because he was sorry about Harry's parents! Could it be he made Snape open his mind to him? Or give him his thoughts via the pensieve? Or - maybe another Unbreakable Vow? We just don't know. I think Snape is not 'Dumbledore's man' and probably has his own motivations, but it seems REALLY SIGNIFICANT to me that, when the members of the Order relate to Harry what they saw the night Snape killed DD, NOT ONE of them saw Snape do anything to a member of the Order - nor did we, as observers. Surely, he could have wiped out a bunch of them as he left. Reedpipe: I doubt Snape went to Godric's Hollow to try to stop Voldemort. It's unlikely he could have succeeded, and after trying Voldie would have killed him on the spot. We don't know why Snape changed sides and more than we know why DD trusted him. That's frustrating! Too much to give away, apparently. Harry believes that Dumbledore is wrong about Snape - but look at how many things Harry's been wrong about! He does have a very limited view of things - there are so many things that the adults know that he doesn't. Of course that's one of the frustrations of being young. Something that has always struck me is that saying that Dumbledore has simply been fooled by Snape reminds me every time of the quote from Mark Twain about being surprised how smart his father got between the time Mark was 15 and 25 (or whatever the details are). Know what I mean? Nahima: That idea of Lily working as an Unspeakable is great! That makes sense that she would have worked with 'love.' But when Draco said 'He hasn't been doing your orders, he promised my mother. . .' and DD said, 'Of course that is what he would tell you. . .' DD could have been referring to 'doing your orders' more than 'promised my mother', maybe. DD would know that an U.V. is just that, so he shouldn't mean, 'of course he would tell you that he promised your mother' but could mean, 'of course he would tell you he hasn't been doing your orders.' DD BELIEVED Snape was doing his orders - someday we'll find out if he was. JKR said recently that she has read theories which were so right that she wondered if she had given away too much. Wouldn't you love to know which ones those are???? |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 06:57:02 PM |
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Ha ha ha!! I loved this!!
"Did he party hard the previous night with the Mirror of Erised and the Pensive and couldn`t judge correctly the following morning?!" Stupid hat with hang-over put Pettigrew in the first house came to its drunken mind, ha ha ha!! It's the best explanation of all. (Well, probably Peter asked the hat to put him in Griffindor, just like Harry did years later. Anyway, I prefer the hang-over theory.) ;) :D Hey, did you see the new cast announcement? I like very much Luna and Umbridge selections, however the actress chosen to be Bellatrix took me by surprise. I don't know her prior works but physically didn't match with the idea I have of the character. I want Snape to be loyal to Dumbledore no matter what, however this seems very unlikely to happen if we believe in Jo's quotes about it. Hope she is misleading us, I can forgive her for that happily if she redeems at last our greasy git. |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 06:46:41 PM |
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Oh no, please Nahima, don`t suggest that Harry and Peter will for an alliance against poor little Snape! ;)
MMm, yes, you`re right, the filthy worm`s no match for Snape (welcome to the MTV`s WizardTraitors Deathmatch!) but I find that comment that "he`s taken the habbit to listen to conversations" or whatever Snape says about Peter very intriguing. And it seems that no one can fool Snape, doesn`t it? We never find him with his guard down. We could have caught a glimpse behind that wall of his in the Shrieking Shack but it was left out. Instead he appeared more human by protecting th trio. I`m still in SHOCK! How could they add that?! That was so unlikely to happen even in a differnt situation! He`s helped Harry before but never to THAT extent and not that OBVIOUS! And then AR at the premiere with his "you have to wonder how come he`s saving their lives all the time". That combination instantly made me think that he`s so tired with playing baddies that he wanted for the fandom to see his character`s really not a bad guy after all. THIS is what intrigues me the most, that this is the very opposite of what JKR wants us to believe! Is she misleading us? Are we too blind? Does AR KNOW that Snape`s really not a scum bag or does he WANT to make us see the good side of everything? I think the "movies vs the books" it`s a pretty controversial matter. I dare say, Alan`s Snape would seem a totally different thing for someone who read all the books first. I too must admit that although I LOVE the way he portrays him, it`s not really what I would have pictured. It`s not bad, it`s just different. And this is a burning qustion for me! HOW ON EARTH did Peter get sorted into Griffindor? He`s like...to opposite of bravery and loyalty!!!! I know Percy lost his way too a bit, but that`s a different case and I`m sure everything will get sorted out in the Weasley family...or...could Percy be the one who`ll die in the seventh book? Am I mistaken or did she say something about a Weasley dying? *shivers* BUT PETER? Was the Sorting Hat drunk or something? Did he party hard the previous night with the Mirror of Erised and the Pensive and couldn`t judge correctly the following morning?! ;) Or shoul we believe in Peter`s redemption? That would be something! Everybody waits for Snape to prove he`s a good chap (I won`t place my hopes that high! A not-so-bad-chap will do for me!) and it turns out to be Peter! ROFL |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 03:38:03 PM |
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OOoh bad Chris, don't make me laugh that hard!!
*me smelling the coffee* :D It takes me long time and too much research with the dictionary (Babel translator stinks) but seems that the results worth the effort. You know, I did point out the spies living together as a joke, but you'll be right, it has to have a purpose and therefore may be significant to the development of the last book. Wormtail has a well-known fame of being a mediocre wizard. I thought that Voldemort got rid of Pettigrew after using him, sending the rat far away where he cannot bother the Dark Lord and maybe be useful for something else, even for housekeeping tasks. I really doubt that Voldemort may think Wormtail capable of doing any kind of spying on Snape, I mean of succeeding at it, since the rat is no match for Snape. However, this wicked thing of Jo of putting them together must be for something. We know Snape used Wormtail as his human house-elf and Wormtail hate him for that. If we link this hatred to the wizard debt between Wormtail and Harry, maybe it could be the trigger for you-don't-know-what-until-reading-last-book. |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 12:34:37 PM |
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We forgive you, Carla, mainly bcause I`m sure we feel the same way :)
Hey Nahima! And you said your english was bad! Wake up and smell the coffee, sugar! You express yourself BEAUTIFULLY! WOW! That thing just hit me! With the double-spies living together! I don`t think I`ve paid enough attention to that! That is BIG! Why? Because I don`t think that JKR would have thought of that in the lines of " oh yeah, they`re the same, both filthy traitors, let`s put them together". And I`m sure it`s not a red hering either. I think it`s obvious that there IS something that sets them appart. And I think it`s pretty obvious also that Pettigrew was sent there to spy on him, Snape himself hints at that but then again he seems (snape I mean) very confident about Voldy trusting him. Or maybe that`s only a way to fool Bellatrix. Anyway, why would Voldy sent PP to spy on him? What happened with the speech in GoF ("one who has left me forever" or whatever it sounded like)? How come he was able to fool Voldmort himself? He may be indeed very gifted at Legillimency but come on! I really doubt Voldy trusts him and I am sure that the fact that HE killed DD will not help him, on the contrary. Yes, it was a great way to prove his so called-loyalties with the DE but I don`t think Voldy will cheer for him and offer him a drink after! Actually I think it will be quite a shock to Voldemort when he finds out Snape really managed to kill "the greatest wizard of all time". Something that he failed to do. |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 09:46:54 AM |
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just one more thing.
The one thing that makes me feel bad about snape being really evil '(if he is) is tha right from the start HP all like 'yep he's evil' about him with hardly a cause for 5 years and then you feel sorry for old snape because this kid doesn't cut him any slack. Then he turns out to be "evil" and eveyones like oh... But i still love him ;) (( forgive my adolesent way of putting this)) |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 02:19:10 AM |
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Wow lot of post since yesterday. Just a interesting thing i read. There was this interveiw with AR ages ago on snape and he said the He was told a big secret about snape's charater. i'm guessing its was the whole "evil (( or not))" thing so what ever happens in the movie with him would have to be... sybolism to a cirtain extent about his character. And what ever happends in the next book i think Snape will be there ... or in the vicinity when harry ((if he does)) kills voldemort. |
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Thursday, February 2nd 2006 - 01:50:27 AM |
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Hi everyone!
I am awful with timelines but I agree with Vicky on this: "The prophecy was made before Harry was born. The Potter's were killed and Voldie reduced to vapor when Harry was a little over a year old. So sometime in that period, Snape switched sides. Let's try to guess when Snape switched sides. We know that before the night the Potters died there were suspicions of having a traitor among the Order members. That is the reason Sirius convinced James to make Peter their Secret-Keeper instead of Lupin (poor wolfie, how unfair). Sirius thought Lupin was Voldemort's spy. I've been reading Prisoner of Azkaban today and there is something during the chapter in the Shrieking Shack, after Snape was knock-out and Sirius and Lupin made Wormtail to return to his human form, that may be give us a hint. When Sirius is accusing Peter, he said "You'd been passing information to him (Voldemort) for a year before Lily and James died." I don't think Snape knew about Wormtail's double role, but it is probably that he was the one who warned DD about the passing of information from someone inside the Order. So, when Wormtail begun working to Voldemort Snape was already Dumbledore's spy. Since Snape was the one who told Voldemort about the prophecy he must have switched sides far from that date. My guess is that Snape switched sides near Harry's birth or as soon as he knew about it. Therefore, when Lily and James died, Snape may have been Dumbledore's spy for over a year (Harry's age) or a little more but did not arrive to two years of spying. {It is really annoying that the two spies ended living together in Spinner's End, Jo is very wicked, ha ha!) I noticed another thing in PoA, when Harry and Hermione were trying to convince Fudge that Sirius was innocent (in the hospital guard, before Madam Pomfrey, Dumbledore and Snape). Snape said to DD that he supposed Sirius had been telling "a fairy tale" about Pettigrew being alive. The response was: "That, indeed, is Black's story," said Dumbledore, surveying Snape closely through his half-moon spectacles." Did this mean that DD was trying to use Legilimency on Snape? Hi Chris!! :) |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 10:07:23 PM |
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Oh, no . . . say it ain't so! I will really and truly not be able to bear it if Snape turns out to be truly evil!!!!
Alfan: I totally agree with your assessment of the "satisfied" expression on Snape's face in OotP. Yup. Yesiree. Chris: Perhaps Snape found out about what Voldie had planned for the Potters, and something made him turn back to the Order before Halloween, i.e., before Voldemort's first downfall? Maybe he went with Voldie to Godric's Hollow that awful night, thinking he could stop him, and was unable? I'm speculating wildly, I know . . . I'm just befuddled by the thought that our bad boy truly is a Bad Boy. *cries* |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 08:12:50 PM |
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I should not miss coming here for three days, i cant catch up with all the new posts. But i have and one thing that i agree with is the fact that Snape is loyal to himself, because it sounds like he got screwed from both sides.
One thing reading the Prisoner of Azkaban is in the end when he blows his stack, it seems more because he lost his Order of Merlin. You know, dont remember in any of the books that Snape ever got a thank you from anyone ( well at least i never read it), not even DD. He did and has tried to save Harry even though it was not Harry who needed saving ( like in POA ). And in Order of the Pheonix when him and Harry have the occulmency arguement when Snape says "because you are neither special or important, and its not up to you to find out what the Dark Lord is saying to his deatheaters!" and Harry says back, " no, thats your job, isnt it?" and the book says " But there was a curious,almost satisfied expression on his face when he answered " yes Potter, that is my job". I mean thats it, thats all he says? Now, wouldnt Snape be a little pissed off ( why you insolent little........) but no, he seems satisfied. Satisfied that someone finally recognises what he is doing and how dangerous it is, even if Harry didnt mean it that way. Snape finally has something over on a Potter, kinda like ' i am more important than you right now you little arrogant...) I do believe that it was a true set up on DD and Snape's part but i truly cant see him living as if he did and he was on the side of good, i cant see him just slipping back into a normal everyday teaching job, he is to miserable for that. ( dont think its much of a facade). And if he does turn out to be evil, i agree that he will probably live to be punished and Harry see a bit of retrobution. Ah, JKR-----your truly brilliant, arnt ya. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 06:33:20 PM |
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Poeple, people, REWIND! geesh, haven`t been here for two days and you`re posting like maniacs! :)
Ok, I will make my comments short: 1. I must admit I never paid attention to this bit "before his downfall". Let`s set the records straight. According to the most popular theory, Snape heard the WHOLE conversation at The Hog`s Head (which seems very accurate indeed if you measure the time, etc) , reported back to Voldy and then when he heard about HARRY being the target that night , he felt sorry. Buuhuuu! :) But wait a second, judging by that he turned his back on Voldy only AFTER his downfall! The only explanation is that either he knew about Voldy going after Harry BEFORE he went at Godric`s Hollow (which would be a good support for the Snape-was-at-Godric`s Hollow-that-night, which is VERY intriguing indeed.) Or his motives for joinind the Order were of a different kind and had nothing to do with Harry. Then WHY? 2. It has been stated over and over again (even Daniel Radcliffe said so) that Alan and Robbie Coltrane (I think) are the only people who know more about their character`s destiny. ALSO, remember that they were hand-picked by JKR herself, I know that for a fact, at least regarding AR and RC. So I don`t think she`s fooling them along with the fandom. I think that either AR KNOWS Snape is not THAT bad after all or he knows the character`s a despicable bastard and simply tries to add him a more human side. These are very deep waters here, I tend to go with the second theory. I don`t think Snape cares much for the order, I think it all comes to what would you pick between two bad choices, at least from his POV. I think that`s why he joined the DE in the first place (I very much agree with Vicki here) , because he wanted that certain recognision which he didn`t have in school. But that SOMETHING that happened and made him switch sides MUST have been a biggie then! I always wondered what his boggart and patronus would be, I remember reading that in a JKR interview in which she said telling that would have meant that she`d give too much away. Oh this wasn`t short at all! :) Sorry guys! |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 03:42:32 PM |
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"I have given evidence already on this matter," he said calmly. "Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort's downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am."
Vicki: If I'm not mistaken, these are also the EXACT words DD spoke in the movie, as well. They didn't change a thing, which says to me that they are quite important in their meaning (timeline, etc.) |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 02:42:03 PM |
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Vicky, I think your theory is a good shot.
I've been thinking for a while that Dumbledore's trust on Snape can be interpreted somewhat different as it appears to be. The general thought is that Dumbledore trust Snape to be loyal to him and, hence, to the Order. But as you said, Snape may want to defeat Voldemort for his own purposes of recognition rather than any other reason. Dumbledore should know very well the inner motivations guiding Severus, his real self, and since that is against Voldemort that makes Snape to be in Dumbledore's side no matter what. In GoF, Dumbledore said something similar to Fudge, I recall the idea but no the words.. Jan, I did notice Snape's gesture toward Dumbledore in the movie but did not pay too much attention to it. However, your explanation makes a lot of sense to me now. AR knows about his character more than us, therefore he won't do anything in the movies that can be contradictory with the plot. Carla, Harry told Dumbledore about the UV, he spied on Snape and Draco's conversation (the night of Slug's party) and told DD everything he heard. When I read Hagrid telling about DD and Snape's argument I thought it was there when DD was forcing or pressuring Severus to fulfill the vow. However, I don't understand this piece of the discussion between DD and Draco on the Astronomy Tower: Draco - "He hasn't been doing your orders, he promised my mother..." Dumbledore - "Of course that is what he would tell you, Draco, but..." "that is what he would tell you" like an excuse? It was the truth. Why didn't say "I know it Draco" instead? (Bad Jo) *cry* Elisa, I believe that Lily may have been an Unspeakable, the ones who works with I don't know what in the Minister of Magic. Maybe she was involved with the room with the magnificent power (love?), studying it or guarding it. I have always been curious about the "ancient magic" that was invoked the night Lily died. Did it was by accident product of her sacrifice or did Lily really know what she must do in order to save her child? Maybe she used an incantation prior to Voldemort's arrival to the bedroom. Apparently, Dumbledore did not think possible something like this however it may be a mistake of his, a reasonable and acceptable one IMO (not like the one he could have made with Snape). Reedpipe, I agree with Jan, Snape was aware of Voldemort's come back during the whole year, he told so Bellatrix in HBP. Vicky, me again... Snape's death seems to be nearer now more than ever, however I got this feeling that he will survive. If he is good, his heroic death will overshadow Harry's triumph and this is not supposed to happen. If he is evil, I am the one who will die. *sob* Just kidding, if he is evil, he MUST survive in order to get the punishment he'll deserve, not the escape of death. Jan, me again... Those blasted missing quotes!! I've been searching since last year something I'm sure I read (I read it, I swear, I did!) to no avail. It is a quote from Jo related with Snape and Voldemort. I remember she said something like "you know what happens when Voldemort find no more use for you"... this is not the exact words, just the idea that got into my mind and it has been poking me since then. Yeah, I remember that one too, about James and Lily's occupations. Let's see if I can find it, I think I read it recently in one of my google searches. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 01:24:43 PM |
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In Goblet of Fire, Scholastic Edition, page 590, when Karkaroff includes Snape's name in his list of known Death Eaters, Dumbledore says:
"I have given evidence already on this matter," he said calmly. "Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort's downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am." So, sometime between being caught eavesdropping on the prophecy and Voldie's downfall, he made the switch. He may have felt bad about Voldie's knowledge of the prophecy leading to the Potter's death, but that is not the reason he changed sides. Something else pushed him over the edge...what do you thing it could be? The prophecy was made before Harry was born. The Potter's were killed and Voldie reduced to vapor when Harry was a little over a year old. So sometime in that period, Snape switched sides. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 12:15:11 PM |
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Reedpipe: No way Snape didn't know Voldie was back! Remind your friend that Snape has a Dark Mark on his arm and when Voldie touched Wormtail's mark to call his Death Eaters to him, Snape's started burning just like all the rest! He just didn't answer the call.
Carla: As far as what Hagrid overheard - I suppose it could just be that he wasn't sure he wanted to be a spy for him anymore, but that doesn't make sense to me. I think it's much more likely to refer to killing DD. Elisa: Like Reedpipe, I remember something about JKR saying James' & Lily's occupations are important. Of COURSE I can't find it now. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 11:17:58 AM |
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After re-reading my post I can see what I wrote was a little confusing. I didn't mean to imply that Snape would end up killing Voldemort...just that in his quest for recognition, that was probably what he would attempt to do. And you are correct, he would need Harry to do it. But these books aren't called Professor Snape and the ..... (but wouldn't that be a great sequel for JKR to work on?)so if anybody is going to finally defeat Voldie, it will be Harry. Or perhaps they will need to do it together, forcing both of them to put aside their differences and hatred in order to defeat Voldie. But my gut tells me that poor Severus probably won't survive Book 7. He will probably end up sacraficing himself in some way (boo-hoo)!
I was also touched by the way Snape put a comforting hand on DD's shoulder in the film. But it seems that everything about Snape in the film is so different from the book that I'm not sure what to think. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 11:13:47 AM |
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Hi all!
Elisa: I seem to recall reading a JKR interview at some point where she said that James and Lily's former occupation was "very significant," or something like that. Anyone else remember this? Carla: For me, the conversation overheard by Hagrid is one of the most compelling arguments for Good!Snape. I just can't think of a more convincing explanation for Hagrid's description of the conversation. (Unless, of course, it's a mountain-troll-sized red herring, which I doubt, but it's JKR we're talking about, so who knows?) Jan: I was SO struck by Snape's hand-on-Dumbledore's-back gesture at the end of the GoF movie too. And I agree: AR wouldn't have done it if it didn't jive with what he knows about the character. A friend of mine, who's definitively in the Evil!Snape camp, wrote this gesture off as a sign that until that point, Snape didn't know that Voldie had returned. I don't buy that, however; the movie made a point of Karkaroff continually bugging Snape about the blackening Dark Mark. |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 09:14:06 AM |
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Hi, thinking of Harry's parents, why have they got so much money at the Gringott? They're young and according of what we know, Lily comes from a Muggled family, so shouldn't have any connection with "magical world". What we know about James, is just a bit told by SB.
Could there be another connection between Harry and Voldemort? To explain the meaning of the prophecy? |
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Wednesday, February 1st 2006 - 02:49:08 AM |
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(( I'm back and i can't spell where i come from))
i've yet to read everyones posts but here is my thought... or infact wish. my thing is that he may still not be "evil" and that dumbledore heared (don't ask) Snape prediciment about the whole has-to-kill-dumbledore-if-malfoy-doesn't-or-he-will-die thing and dumbledore just acepted it and said well now you have to kill me at some stage. And what leads me to belive this is one sentance that hagrid heard them arguing about saying hat Dumbledore was arguing with snape because he wouldn't do something... which that could be. Or its that i didn't read the book the carefully. |
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