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Name:

 Carolyn

Location:

 New York

Comments:

 I definitely believe that Severus killed DD because of some plan the two of them had worked out. It's possible DD's hand injury resulted in his being more ill than anyone knew, except Severus; and DD felt that Snape had to be the one to survive in order to help Harry. I also find it interesting that the description Jo used to describe Snape's face before killing DD was almost exactly the same description she used when she described Harry giving DD the potion. IMO, they both hated what they had to do.
I also agree with you about Snape's actions toward Harry when they were running from the castle. Severus seemed as if he were instructing Harry.
It really is a shame that Harry and Snape each can't put aside their prejudices of each other and work together in defeating Voldemort. That would be a great scenario I would love to see in book seven, but I don't think that will happen. Unfortunately,I feel Severus is between a rock and a hard place now.

Saturday, August 12th 2006 - 09:46:26 PM

Name:

 Alfan

E-mail address:

 Canada

Comments:

 Well I guess the one thing that gets me the most and I am sure all of you will agree with me is the fact that Dumbledore "would never, ever beg for his life". Specially to someone who has just betrayed him. I see your points and well taken, sometimes i just want him to be so innocent of the murder that i look for things that arnt there. The fact that after being finally unmasked as as true deatheater and facing off with the one kid he has hated for the past 6 years that he wouldnt even take one shot at him or say something different than " keep your mouth shut and your mind closed". It was just odd "to me".
I know JKR likes to throw curve balls our direction and i dont know if this is one or not, i still have to remember that this is a childrens book and that i may be readinig into it waaaaayyyyy too much.But its fun to talk about it, isnt it guys.

Saturday, August 12th 2006 - 12:26:17 PM

Name:

 Carolyn

Location:

 New York

Comments:

 There's a poll on alt.fan.harry-potter, "Is Snape evil or not evil?" that's running 70/30 in favor of "not", the major point of contention being "what classifies evil"? There are some extremely thought-provoking discussions on this subject.
IMO, our dear potions master will not make it to the end of book seven having overtly or covertly assisted Harry in vanquishing Voldemort. Jo has just dropped way too many red flags in the six books that elude to his being on DD's side.
Also, again my opinion, we still have to look at the rest of DD's and Snape's memories in the pensieve which will clarify DD's trust in Snape. When Severus was giving Harry Occlumency lessons, he took three strands of memories to put in the pensieve, and we only saw one.
LOL...I could go on forever, but I'll shut up now & spare everyone! :-)

Saturday, August 12th 2006 - 11:14:22 AM

Name:

 carla

Comments:

 I almost forgot about this site... i been away for so long. I want to say one thing and it is brief and is probabally been said before.

Severus means grumpy in Latin :)

BTw i agree totally wih you Jan

Friday, August 11th 2006 - 11:59:41 PM

Name:

 ARdent Jan

Comments:

 Alfan: I agree with you on most of what you say, including that Snape won't live. If he's with Voldemort, he "deserves" to die and if he's not, he can redeem himself by giving his life for the cause - sad but poetic (and a hell of a chance to act for HWMbA).

I agree except for two points: 1) When Snape said "What thoughts are you trying to conceal from your master" to Malfoy, I think he was referring to himself, Snape . . . that's why Draco said "I'm not trying to conceal anything from HIM, I just don't want YOU butting in", letting Snape know that Draco now considered Voldemort to be his master, not Snape.

2) JKR didn't tell S.Rushdie "your theory is correct", she said "your opinion is correct." His theory was that Snape is good, but his opinion was that "everything follows from it" (Snape being good). So she's agreeing that Snape's good- or bad-ness is important, not that he IS good.

Thursday, August 10th 2006 - 02:13:50 PM

Name:

 Alfan

E-mail address:

 Canada

Comments:

 Ok, just saw the Evening with Harry, Carrie and Garp. And what i got from it is that Harry, Hermoine and Ron will live til the end of the books, Dumbledore is definitly dead and yes,,,,,,,,,Snape is good. She said that if she could have 5 over for supper who would they be and then she said well its hard because of being dead, so that means that the trio is going to make it then she was told they could be alive or dead then she said oh ok, DD and Hagrid then. When Salmon Rushdie said that they ( him and his son) had a theory that Snape is really good and that him and DD had a secret plot and DD is really alive. She said that his theory is correct but DD is definitly dead. If you guys get a chance, go watch it, its on Mugglnet.com, and if your a fan of Stephen King and John Irving then its a bonus.

Thursday, August 10th 2006 - 12:42:27 PM

Name:

 Alfan

Location:

 Canada

Comments:

 There are still people who could die also.
McGonnagal--could be but i doubt it, i think she will be around to run Hogwarts.

Hagrid--more likely than not as he really doesnt have a purpose in the books.

Lupin--I highly doubt it as he is the last living maurader and the last of the ole gang, closest to Harry.

Weasley--could easily be Ginny, Percy, Charlie, Bill or even one of the twins, as this would devestate Harry because they are the closest thing to a family he has.

Seamus, Cho, Dean, Neville--any one of the Hogwarts students could be targets, but i doubt it will be Neville, he has to much unfinished business for him to die.

Draco, Nissa, Lucius, and Bella--these are others who JKR could of meant as being killed off, but i think that although Bella is a gonner I think that Draco and or Lucius might be around to the end, probably more Draco than Lucius as Draco will make it through.

There are also members of the order, Tonks, Kinsley,,,and members of the school, Flitwick, Crabbe and Goyle,, and dont forget about the Dursleys. Aunt Petunia might also have a redeming quality to her.,, So what i am saying is

There are lots of people who JKR could be refering do when she says that there are going to be other deaths

but

I truly think that Snape is good, unfortunatly i also truly think he wont make it out alive. What purpose does he have. He doesnt have a family, he doesnt even like his job and if he had a choice, i dont think teaching would be in his future by choice. I believe he has more of a reason to die ( redemtion, honor a unbreakable etc) than more of a reason to live. I mean Harry, Ron, Hermione,,, they all have more to live for.....i dont mean to sound pestimistic but i dont see it happening,,,,,,,,,,gods!! I hope im wrong and he lives to recieve his long deserved Order of Merlin First Class but i just cant.........whaaaaa.



Monday, August 7th 2006 - 08:18:35 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Oi... interesting stuff mentioned all at the book reading. I must say, I'd really like to get in touch with Salmon Rushdie's kid :P. He knows people!!!
And what's this about's Jo's slip of the tongue? Now we know Harry, Ron and Hermione are safe. Still, it means the odds of our beloved Snape dying are going up. PLEASE don't let it be true.

Enne... ja, ik kom uit de Papendrecht tegenover Dordt. Ik ken geen andere :P. Small world indeed ;).

Monday, August 7th 2006 - 01:47:51 PM

Name:

 Alfan

Location:

 Canada

Comments:

 Nothing that this brilliant mind hasnt already known since Snape called Voldemort to Draco "your" master instead of "our" master......heee hee. I really hope that Snape is good as i will be one totally bummed out puppy.

Monday, August 7th 2006 - 01:30:20 AM

Name:

 ARdent Jan

Comments:

 AND, according to this website:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1760630,00110004.htm
SNAPE IS GOOD!!!! (basically)

Friday, August 4th 2006 - 08:29:56 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 It's official.....JKR has said that Dumbledore IS, in fact, dead. We can now put all that speculation to rest. But, I still say that Snape is innocent. To prove it, is who REALLY killed Dumbledore.

Friday, August 4th 2006 - 03:08:29 AM

Name:

 papendrecht

Comments:

 Dit is wel heel gaaf. Ik post nooit, maar dit is wel heel erg toevallig. Jij komt uit Papendrecht? Tegenover Dordt? Ik ook! Small world haha!

Wednesday, August 2nd 2006 - 12:39:51 PM

Name:

 kathy

Location:

 taking a break from paper writing

Comments:

 I just had a thought--suppose Snape heard the profecy and thought it meant The Lonbottoms and to save them from Voldemort he didn't tell Vol. the whole story. Instead Voledmort thinks it's the Potters and goes for them. When Snape realizes it he goes to warn Lily but is too late. Somehow he uses magic that helps save Harry.

Just my addled brain working overtime

Tuesday, July 18th 2006 - 07:57:45 PM

Name:

 ARdent Jan

Comments:

 Hi, all! I haven't been here in quite awhile. It's nice to see new people. I'm 60, like Alan Rickman, and discovered the joys of HP through my granddaughter.

I don't think killing someone automatically splits your soul - I think it's just necessary to do something horrible if you want to split it. It seems unlikely to me that Dumbledore would do that in any case, partly because to split the soul damages it - that's why Voldemort isn't quite human anymore (too many splits). Also, JKR said that Dumbledore had to go because, as in all classic hero stories, the hero must go on alone at some point. Harry can have his equals - the other students - but not an older guide . . . that's why they've all died.

Was anyone else surprised at how many people on the Leaky Cauldron poll thought Voldemort was one of the ones JKR chose to die now instead of living??? I can't see Voldemort living and the story ending, personally.

Wednesday, July 12th 2006 - 01:42:21 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Okee, Almelo.. das wel een aardig eindje weg. Ik kom uit Papendrecht.

Back to english ;P. Might be nice to get everyone's age here. I'm 21 by the way ;).

Sunday, July 9th 2006 - 09:13:24 AM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 I thought (probably incorrectly) that you could only make a horcrux by splitting your soul, which happened when you killed someone. This is why there is nothing in Hogwarts library about HCs because they are so evil. This doesn't square right with what DD stands for (goodness, etc), or Fawkes, either, come to that.
Although it might have implications for SS, if you believe he killed DD, then his soul is now split.
I'm 52, by the way!!LOL!!

Friday, July 7th 2006 - 09:20:23 AM

Name:

 Marika

Location:

 Czech republic

E-mail address:

 dachshaus@chortaj.com

Homepage URL:

 http://dachshaus.hortaya.com

Comments:

 Hi Miriam and all the rest!
I am 42 and hiddenly enjoyed this discussion a lot, but never write before.
My favorite HP character is SS and it became such without any connection to AR. AR makes a bit different developing of this character and I recognized AR as an actor thank to SS-role and only then connected some his previouse films. I like the way he works. But sorry, I dont the great fan of any actor at all:-))
Even in my childhood such hero as HP himself couldnt be my hero, he is too simply behaved, sorry JR!:-)))
I dont too like HP-films in compare with books. Too much were lost, too many were changed...
But HP-films are nice and special-effects are great, if we put the books aside, so it is interesting to see, what is possibly the main idea for filming:-))
Oops, the whole message looks a bit depressive, sorry again!:-)))
Best summer for all!




Thursday, July 6th 2006 - 06:13:23 AM

Name:

 miriam

Location:

 the Netherlands

E-mail address:

 mheijdemnn@netscape.net

Comments:

 Hai Noddi,

Ik kom uit Almelo.
Hello (to the other readers), I just wrote in Dutch that I am from Almelo. Or it might sound Double Dutch to you. Are there more people about my age writing in this part (I really like this site)about Harry Potter? I am 46 now. I really enjoy Harry Potter books and films, of course. Alan is playing the Snape part really well. I like to read the books both in Dutch and in English. My very favourite characters in the 6th book are: professor Dumbledore, professor McGonagall, the Weasley twins and Ginny Weasley. I really enjoy her temperament (now where DID she get it from?)

Monday, July 3rd 2006 - 04:30:31 AM

Name:

 noddi

Comments:

 Well... I know I do :P. Of course AR plays a huge part in it. Even Jo herself is aware of the fact. She once asked someone who said Snape was het favourite character "do you mean Snape or Alan Rickman?"...
But I DO like Snape in the books as well. A lot.

(enne... waar kom je precies vandaan? Las dat je uit nederland komt, vandaar ;))

Sunday, July 2nd 2006 - 10:02:09 AM

Name:

 Miriam Heijdemann

Location:

 the Netherlands

E-mail address:

 mheijdemann@netscape.net

Comments:

 Hello,

I really think we do like Snape, because of Alan Rickman. (at least I think so...). I really think that mr. Rickman makes Snape more "human", than in the book. Still, Snape would not really be my favourite teacher (I'd rather have professor McGonagall, professor Flitwick, professor Lupin and of course, professor Dumbledore).

Saturday, July 1st 2006 - 01:47:58 AM

Name:

 noddi

Comments:

 Lynda - interesting. Very interesting. Now, I haven't looked it up in the book yet, but wasn't DD at the same time on the road with Harry? Just wondering. Because that would imply Snape would be DD.... ack. I'm getting confused :P.

Friday, June 30th 2006 - 05:01:22 AM

Name:

 kathy

Comments:

 oops sorry that should read DD might NOT be dead....

Monday, June 26th 2006 - 11:38:23 PM

Name:

 kathy

Comments:

 oops sorry that should read DD might NOT be dead....

Monday, June 26th 2006 - 11:38:14 PM

Name:

 kathy

Location:

 Arkansas

Comments:

 http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/dumbledoreshorcrux.html

HI Everyone, sorry I haven't posted for so long--school literally takes almost all of my time these days.
The above link is a VERY interesting editorial explaining a theory that Dumbledore has his own horcrux and that is Fawlkes, the pheonix. So that DD might now actually be dead forever and will be available to Harry. Take a moment to read it--it makes a lot of sense!

Monday, June 26th 2006 - 11:35:39 PM

Name:

 Visitor

Comments:

 Lynda, now that is a brilliant theory. If you've hit something there, I hope JKR doesn't read it and makes a big U turn. Hehehe. We need an emoticon here...

Monday, June 26th 2006 - 07:59:35 PM

Name:

 Juliet

Location:

 UK

Comments:

 JK Rowling is appearing on Richard and Judy 5pm Channel 4 on Monday. The blurb in the TV listings mag says: "Those eagerly anticipating revelations here about the 7th and final book's title - even its publication date - may be overestimating the forensic nature of Richard's interviewing skills just a bit. But Rowling is the mistress of the long-range tease, so you never know what clues will be available to the attuned and attentive". Since I don't have a TV, will anyone else be taking notes?!

Sunday, June 25th 2006 - 05:23:42 AM

Name:

 Lynda

Location:

 uk

E-mail address:

 Lynmal@aol.co.uk

Comments:

 Am very new here. Am very new every where! I need to know about DD's withered arm. It was his right arm. We never get a real explanation, but could DD have used Ployjuice Potion to be Snape and was it actually Dumbledore who made the Unbreakable Vow, not Snape? "Snape" grasped right arms to make the UV. Can it be that if you are not the person you are neant to be, gets marked in some way/withered arm? Just a thought. Have got to re-read the book!!

Friday, June 23rd 2006 - 06:14:59 PM

Name:

 Camerata

Location:

 France

E-mail address:

 camerata78@hotmail.com

Homepage URL:

 http://www.rickmanparadise.com

Comments:

 We have now the name of the actor who will play the Young Severus, it's Alec Hopkins, according to TLC :)

Thursday, May 25th 2006 - 08:24:03 AM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Uhmmm... I don't think so. I do think it's possible that Snape did make an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore, however I don't think the vow would be to protect Harry. Not because he wouldn't do it, but simply because it could not be done.
See.. Dumbledore in all his wisdom must have known Voldemort would eventually return and he would still need Snape as a spy. How would Snape explain him keeping Harry safe?
On the other hand... of course Snape has defended himself against those type of accusations, so. Who knows.

Saturday, May 6th 2006 - 01:33:24 PM

Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 I'm starting to wonder if Snape made an Unbreakable Vow with Dumbledore, when he left Voldemort's service, to protect Harry . That could be why Dumbledore trusts Snape so much. As Hagrid always seems to defend Snape, was he the witness? I remember Alan saying at the time of the premiere of PoA "You've got to wonder why he defends Harry so much" or something along those lines.

Tuesday, May 2nd 2006 - 05:10:19 PM

Name:

 rebecca

Location:

 florida

Comments:

 Hey y'all!

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet:


http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8616

Hmmm. Dang it!


Thursday, April 27th 2006 - 12:33:24 PM

Name:

 ARdent Jan

Comments:

 Welcome, Marie-Jose! It's relatively quiet in here now, but sometimes it's frantic when we get on a roll! You'll love it. Be sure to check out the other links to more Alan fun at the top of the page (or bottom - wherever they are).

Monday, April 24th 2006 - 03:02:41 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Hee.. welcome Marie-José. Are you from the dutch or french speaking part? Just asking, 'cause I'm from the neighbours above :P
Oh, and uhmmm... no, you're not the only one ;)

To me, DD is also dead. And for me, alas, it's also pretty clear that it WAS Snape who killed him. I could be totally off there, but there you have it. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say that for me Snape is evil. He could've done the things he did for reasons that eventually turn out to be "good". But I don't know them. The only vaguely plausible thing I came up with is that Snape has to keep his position in Voldie's camp, because in the end he has to be present to help out Harry, and that killing DD was the only way of keeping his place.

Then again, JKR doesn't like Snape. She warns people about not liking him too much because he's not a nice guy. So that could imply that she has eventually an evil role for him. Something she is making more clear by not so subtlely giving Voldie and Snape a somewhat similar background, which Harry points out as well. Somehow I think that will become important...

Still, I got my hopes up for a good ending. A girl can dream :P

(btw, I really liked JKR's reaction when someone asked something about Snape, because he was that person's pfavourite character... and JKR said "are you thinking about Snape or Alan Rickman?")

Monday, April 24th 2006 - 02:06:10 PM

Name:

 Elisa

Location:

 Italy

Comments:

 Ciao, welcome aboard Maria Josè!! Hugs.

Monday, April 24th 2006 - 04:26:12 AM

Name:

 marie-josé

Location:

 Belgium

Comments:

 HI everyone! my name is marie-josé and I live in Belgium... I'm one of the biggest fans from Alan Rickman... but I don't think I'm the only one ;-)

so nice to meet you all
love
marie-josé

Sunday, April 23rd 2006 - 01:05:52 PM

Name:

 Nahima

Comments:

 Hi everybody!

Vickythanks a lot for that link, IMO it makes sense the explanation there about the "Draught of the Living Death" and the "water" Harry gave to DD.

There are many things that points toward DD's death, however I find it hard to accept because it would imply that Snape may be evil... and I don't want that to happen!

Have said it before, sorry for the repetition, but it would be sooooooo sad and just not right that DD ended being an old fool who misplaced his trust out of love or friendship.
No, it can't happen that way, I'm totally in denial about it.

I know about the theory of the so-called plan between DD and Snape, but it doesn't sound right to me either. I can't see DD asking anybody to kill and the idea of euthanasia is a very complex concept, it's complicated enough even for adults how much could it be for children.

I used to have my hopes in one thing: We don't know the exact wording Voldemort used when giving his instructions to Draco. This could have happened in front of Narcissa and later Snape was able to "see" everything during their encounter in Spinners' End through legili...legili... well you know! The blasted legilithingy! LOL!

Well, it is a very tricky exit but I thought possible that DD could have seen a way out for Snape to fulfill the vow without actually kill him. Everything depends upon the exact words Voldemort could have used... *sigh*

But now, thanks to that "editorial" in Mugglenet, I think it can be added another thing to my prior weak rambling.
And it is, what if the "Draught" potion put one into an inanimated state from which one can be awaken later?
This way DD would be "dead" temporarily until somebody does what it's necessary to fix him. JKR has said that when somebody is dead, is dead... not even wizards can return from the death, but what if DD is not 100% dead but in a very similar state that can be reversed?

Let's say Dumbledore recognized what kind of potions he had drank and its effects, he had no time to explain Harry, but he could have passed the information to Snape through you-know-what (the legili-thingy). Maybe this was not necessary because Snape could have recognized it by himself.
Anyway, I can buy that DD and Snape might have talked about how could they might used Voldemort's plans on their behalfs, but the events during after the expedition to the cave were so unexpected by DD (he may have known about Draco's attempts to kill him but the death eaters appeareance took him by surprise) that I find hard to believe all that was part of a "plan".

Harry thinks he is alone now, I mean without his mentor, so the hero would go on his own just as the genre or the plot requires. But it will be great that at the last minute DD comes to his aid. And Snape!!

I can't forget DD's words: "I trust Severus Snape completely."

Friday, April 21st 2006 - 08:13:35 PM

Name:

 Elisa

Comments:

 Ciao,
have you already seen the actor (Jim Mcmanus) who will be Aberforth, the Dumbledore's brother?
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/icons/mcmanus/mcmanus.jpg

P.S: I'm for three DDD theory (DumbleDoreDeath)

Friday, April 21st 2006 - 07:45:03 AM

Name:

 Ardent Jan

Comments:

 Someone here - I can't remember who, brought up once that Snape said in HP1 "I can teach you to . . . put a stopper in death." and speculated that Snape had done that for DD after the incident that withered his hand. In other words, just bought DD some time so he could finish his task with Harry before he died. DD did tell Harry that he was old and also said that those with well-organized minds(?) were not afraid to die, I can't remember his exact words, but I came away with the impression that he knew he would soon be dead.

Also, JKR (I think - maybe someone else)said that DD had to die because Harry, like all classic heroes, had to go on alone, without his protectors - parents, Sirius, DD - it's the only way he can grow up and come into his own.

Thursday, April 20th 2006 - 06:54:06 PM

Name:

 Reedpipe

Location:

 CT

Comments:

 Vicki, great find! The author could definitely be on to something with the Draught of Living Death. I, too, however, find his evidence that Dumbledore is not dead unconvincing.

The author also writes: "[F]rom an author's perspective, hiding such an important piece of information so brilliantly and meticulously, just to kill Dumbledore later and have it all worth nothing, seems absolutely redundant."

Redundant, perhaps, if it weren't a clue somehow of Snape's innocence? Like many, I am of the opinion that it wasn't Snape's Avada that eventually killed the Headmaster, but something else (related to his shriveled hand?) that had occurred even before he fetched Harry from the Dursleys'. Could Dumbledore's imbibing the Draught of Living Death have merely hastened his demise? Or sealed his fate in some way?

Thursday, April 20th 2006 - 02:55:36 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 I have just come across a very interesting "editorial" on Mugglenet that has raised some extremely interesting points. It discusses what happened in HBP at the lake in the cave while Dumbledore was drinking the green potion.

I really think this guy is on to something with his comparison of the eerie waters of the lake and the Draught of Living Death which JKR had Snape bring up way back in the first book. In Slughorn's class, the students brew the potion as one of their first assignments. Harry discovers that by following the HBP's instructions and giving it a counterclockwise stir that it takes on the appearance of clear water. It would be just like JKR to mention something in the first book and have it turn into something of significance to the final outcome. Well, before I go any further, read this person's editorial here.

One thing that doesn't work for me in this theory is that I'm a firm member of the Dumbledore is dead camp. JKR has stated that she wants children to understand that death is unchangable (although she hasn't been above having characters fake their death....Peter Pettigrew, Barty Crouch Jr.) But I am certain that Dumbledore is, in fact, dead. The behavior of Fawkes, the Phoenix, the funeral, the portrait in the headmaster's office and most importantly the unbreakable vow all prove this to me. If Dumbledore were not really dead, then Snape would have broken his vow and died instantly. Since (thankfully) that did not happen, then DD most certainly must be dead. But this mysterious lake water theory seems very plausable to me. Wondering what the rest of you think.

Wednesday, April 19th 2006 - 10:00:55 PM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 I think you're right about Voldemort not telling anybody everything - a good warlord doesn't trust anyone completely because there's always someone waiting for a chance to get rid of him and take over themselves (tell us that's not you, Snape!). To Voldemort, his Death Eaters are only tools to be used to reach his goals.

I've known people similar to Snape in as much as they have a very bad disposition and/or a nasty personality and many of them truly don't understand why nobody wants to give them recognition for what they do and don't even want to be within 10 feet of them. They just don't realize the affect they have on other people.

Snape is very talented, there's no doubt about that . . . at least in potions and occlumency/legilimancy. And he developed other curses himself such as the lovely Sectum Sempra - now who wouldn't appreciate THAT?

I'm sure Harry's looking so much like James doesn't help a bit with Snape. But having seen James at Harry's age and seeing Harry - Harry's a lot nicer than his father. A tad arrogant, in a way, but I don't think more than the average teenager. In fact, I think Harry has much more humility than most because of his childhood. And he TRIED to give Snape understanding for what he went through, recognizing it as similar to his own experience . . . but Snape wouldn't let him speak. I doubt Snape would want Harry's empathy, anyway, because he WANTS to hate him.

I certainly hope we get enough about Snape in the last book to fill in at least most of the gaps in our knowledge of him. And I will be fascinated to find out what really is going on with him!

Monday, April 17th 2006 - 08:24:39 AM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Noddi writes: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Snape a Death Eater (spying or not spying, whatever)? Wouldn't he have known that Voldie got the info from Wormtail?

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the books there is a quote that says something about how Voldemort kept the identities of a lot of the Death Eaters a secret...even among the DE's themselves. A spy's identity would probably be even more closely guarded. Unless you were part of Voldie's inner circle (which Snape may or may not have been) then you might not necessarily know where or from whom Voldie was obtaining his information.

I agree with your "crooked theory" about Snape not feeling appreciated. I have the same theory, only I referred to it as "recognition" but it's the same thing really. I've always said that is really the one thing that Snape truly desires. If he were to look into the mirror of Erised he would see himself receiving the Order of Merlin or something like that. Poor Snape has always been overshadowed by others.....especially James and Sirius. No wonder he taunts Harry wherever he gets the chance. Harry reminds him so much of James and he sees that streak of arrogance that always robbed him of being recoginzed or appreciated for his true talents. (It couldn't have been Snape's wonderful, winning personality that held him back---nah! Who cares about that?) ;0)

Monday, April 17th 2006 - 01:38:32 AM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Vicki - you said:

"I believe that is the mindset behind what Snape is saying to Harry at that moment. He still believes that Sirius is guilty of betrayal and murder."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Snape a Death Eater (spying or not spying, whatever)? Wouldn't he have known that Voldie got the info from Wormtail?

As for the emotions thing. You could be right. But let me fill you in on my somewhat crooked theory: I always thought Sanpe's got a serious shortage of... let's call it 'appreciation'. It always seemed to me that what he wants is appreciation, and he's not getting any because people think he's a bully, death eater and just plain evil. Including Harry. Lupin (besides Dumbledore of course) seems to be the only one who does seem to acknowledge Snape's abilities and who doesn't push him to much, because it could turn out ugly.
Now... in my mind and memory the times Snape looses it are the times where someone (but mostly Harry) is not acknowledging or appreciating the thing(s) he has done. It seems to be very important to him that his magic is appreciated by people.
As to why Harry tends to spark things up more than others? I don't know. Maybe (just thought this up actually :P) because in the end, Snape really is protecting Harry and then Harry of all people doesn't appreciate what he's doing... must drive a man mad. ;)

Sunday, April 16th 2006 - 11:31:01 AM

Name:

 Jan

E-mail address:

 NW PA USA

Comments:

 Boa vinda, Iris! Ligação ARDLH-GB da tentativa acima. Muitos retratos e povos maravilhosos, úteis lá!

(That's a Babel Fish translation into Portugese - I hope it makes sense)

In English: Try the ARDLH-GB (Alan Rickman Download Haven Guestbook)link above, Iris. Lots of pictures and wonderful, helpful people there!

Sunday, April 16th 2006 - 09:28:02 AM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Happy Easter to everyone who celebrates!

Jan - You said: "...So it was Sirius' choice to hand over the secret keeper role to Peter? I can't remember. Didn't anyone else know he'd done that? If they did, they should have known it wasn't Sirius who betrayed James & Lily - only the secret keeper could do that. And I still wonder why anyone would have made a weird little hanger-on like PP the secret keeper . . . unless he has changed an awful lot since those days."

As I recall, Sirius figured that everyone would expect that James would pick him as the secret keeper. So, at the last minute he persuaded James to make Peter the secret keeper instead...someone they wouldn't immediately expect. An unfortunate choice, as it turns out. I guess they picked Peter because he would be the logical last choice to most people. Apparently no one else knew about the last minute switch, otherwise poor Sirius wouldn't have spent 12 years in Azkaban. Sirius is really a tragic character when you think about it.

AFNH - I have a sinking feeling that you are probably right. I'm not sure that our dear Potions Master will survive the last book either. Whether he is magically bound to protect Harry (some sort of unbreakable vow?) or is he magically bound by his debt to James from all those years ago? Or could he just be bound by his quest for recognition to eventually throw himself into the fight to protect Harry/defeat Voldemort and thereby gain fame (even posthumously) as the one who helped or enabled Harry to fulfill the prophecy? I'm not sure.

One thing that always hangs in the back of my mind is how Snape is always taunting Harry about how he can never control his emotions. During the Occlumency lessons, he says something like (just paraphrasing here)"...people who can't control their emotions, in other words weakpeople, will never be able to stand up to the Dark Lord." ...or something to that effect. But you notice that the only incidences of Snape ever showing emotion in the books is when he is dealing with Harry. Harry somehow seems to push emotional buttons in Snape. His hysterical outburst at the end of PoA, his rage at Harry in OotP...I've always felt that was a bad omen for Snape. In order to keep his cover as a spy around Voldemort, Snape must have his emotions in check at all times. Will the appearance of Harry on the scene completely throw Severus into a state of vulnerability?

Well, if JKR is going to kill off my favorite character, she better at least allow him to redeem himself. In other words, I hope she reveals that Snape is really not such a "greasy git" afterall. That he actually worked, in his own way, to help the Order, and to help Harry.

Well, I had better get to bed before I depress myself so much I start digging into the chocolate Easter Eggs. 'Night all!

Sunday, April 16th 2006 - 05:33:03 AM

Name:

 iris

E-mail address:

 planetcats@hotmail.com

Comments:

 Quero um poster do Alan Rickman sou muito fã mesmo e quero ser breve com as palavras tchau...Brasil

Sunday, April 16th 2006 - 02:12:50 AM

Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 Vicki - I know how you feel! But since I first read HP& HBP last summer, I've had a feeling Snape's days are numbered. I really do hope I'm wrong! Snape seems bound to protect Harry, no matter what, even though he hates him so much... will it be his undoing?

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 10:24:55 PM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 Vicki - Hi again! You said:

'I just wonder though if Snape thanked James "on bended knee" when James saved him from the werewolf? I highly doubt it.....I think Harry reminds Snape a bit of himself also. A fact he probably detests.'

Wow - a couple of good points! So it was Sirius' choice to hand over the secret keeper role to Peter? I can't remember. Didn't anyone else know he'd done that? If they did, they should have known it wasn't Sirius who betrayed James & Lily - only the secret keeper could do that. And I still wonder why anyone would have made a weird little hanger-on like PP the secret keeper . . . unless he has changed an awful lot since those days. Think I need to do some re-reading.

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 09:41:38 PM

Name:

 Vicki

Location:

 Los Angeles

Comments:

 Hi ladies! It's been a while since I've been here.....spending waaaay too much time working. But I do lurk about in my free moments and read the posts.

I also scored an "Acceptable" on my W.O.M.B.A.T.'s. The questions were real ambiguous...even if you had read the books. I think the people who scored higher must have paused the test and gone and looked up the answers. I also think some of the answers could only be found in her books "Magical Beasts..." and "Quidditch through the Ages" and not everyone has read those (I have them and have read them only once, whereas the HP books I have read several times each). So I'm a little put out about my score....I guess I'd never make it to Advanced Potions if Snape were still teaching. :0(

AFNH - that's an interesting theory about how Snape feels when he looks at Harry. BUT I DON'T WANT SEVERUS TO DIE!!!! I will be seriously depressed if that is what ends up happening.

Nahima - I interpret that quote a little differently:

Snape shrieked, looking madder than ever. "Like father, like son, Potter! I have just saved your neck; you should be thanking me on bended knee! You would have been well served if he'd killed you! You'd have died like your father, too arrogant to believe you might be mistaken in Black...

Before Voldie's downfall, it was believed that there was a traitor in the Order. Sirius was suspicious of Lupin and, I believe, Lupin suspected Sirius. James, being Sirius' best friend, had total trust in Sirius and requested that he be the secret keeper. It was Sirius' fatal decision at the last minute to give that responsibility to Peter Pettigrew. When Peter betrayed James and then framed Sirius for the Potter's murders as well as 12 muggles, everyone, even Dumbledore believed Sirius to be guilty. I believe that is the mindset behind what Snape is saying to Harry at that moment. He still believes that Sirius is guilty of betrayal and murder. And he is taunting Harry by implying that his father was blinded by the same sort of arrogance which led to his death. I just wonder though if Snape thanked James "on bended knee" when James saved him from the werewolf? I highly doubt it.....I think Harry reminds Snape a bit of himself also. A fact he probably detests.


Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 08:16:43 PM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 Elisa: That's just a wish of many people because 7 is an important number in the wizarding world (V's 7 horcruxes). I think it would be fun. On one of the DVD extras they said that they started making the HP movies 1 year apart but it rushed them too much so they went to 18 months - so every other one should be in the summer, I guess. I think they want to get them out as fast as possible. They have to think about the kids getting too old, to say the least.
AFNH: Could be! That would do it.
Nahima: Wow! That is getting crowded, isn't it? I never thought of all that. Hmmm, lets see, was I there? The fact that I can't remember means nothing - after all, I can't even remember WHAT DAY IT IS! stupid, stupid, stupid

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 07:28:17 PM

Name:

 AFNH

Comments:

 Hokay.... here's a thought. The reason Snape hates Harry so much.... every time Snape looks at Harry, he sees his own impending death, whatever happens. Being ill and computerless for a while concentrates the mind, just a bit!

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 04:54:18 PM

Name:

 Elisa

Comments:

 Happy Easter to all!!!

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 04:10:17 PM

Name:

 Nahima

Comments:

 You're probably right, Jan... *sigh*
Could it be possible that Snape was there in Godric's Hollow, the night the Potters died? Otherwise, how could he knew about James trusting Sirius until the very end?

Wormtail took Voldemort's wand after the curse rebounded so he must have been there just for a while at least.
Then appeared Hagrid, to pick up Harry, and shortly after him was Sirius... Hmm... I don't know, this sounds like a crowd now... Maybe I was there too and can't recall it... LOL! Where were you Jan? LOL x 5!!

Elisa it is going to be a very "Snapey" summer!
The date for the movie is already confirmed by the studios (WB), related with the book I think nothing is confirmed yet, only rumors. I don't mind if both things get out on the summer of 2007, what I really hope is that the release of the movie won't delay the book any further.

Have a nice weekend, ladies!

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 11:12:34 AM

Name:

 Elisa

Comments:

 Ciao, I didn't know, the seventh book next 7/07/07? Jan do you like the idea? *like clock oven*
And the movie in summer? Isn't it strange?

Saturday, April 15th 2006 - 08:45:26 AM

Name:

 Jan

Location:

 q

Comments:

 I don't know, Nahima, that doesn't sound right only for this reason: Snape is supposed to hate Harry partly because he owes a debt to James for saving his life in school. If Snape had warned James about Voldemort's attack, they would be even??? If I have my facts correct . . . .

Thursday, April 13th 2006 - 05:36:32 PM

Name:

 Nahima

Comments:

 I found it, at last. It's in PoA, page 361, american edition paperback:

Snape shrieked, looking madder than ever. "Like father, like son, Potter! I have just saved your neck; you should be thanking me on bended knee! You would have been well served if he'd killed you! You'd have died like your father, too arrogant to believe you might be mistaken in Black...

How Snape could have known about James' disbelief towards Sirius' possible betrayal? Could it be possible that Snape warned James in person before Voldemort's attack?

Wednesday, April 12th 2006 - 04:18:39 PM

Name:

 Nahima

Comments:

 Yeah, the next year will be full of Snape!!! (I mean, HP) *wink*

I want to comment something I read, but have to check where I read it. It's from PoA I think, Snape made a remark about James that it's interesting.

Coming soon!

Wednesday, April 12th 2006 - 03:55:56 PM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 It has penetrated mine, Noddi! Wouldn't it be great if the last book came out July 7, 2007, as people are hoping for? Double whammy! Is there an echo in here? I think we're alone in here lately . . .yoo-hoo, everybody! I think they're busy in the Boom-Boom room.

Wednesday, April 12th 2006 - 03:22:52 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Has the date Juli 13th 2007 already penetrated everyone's mind here? For those who don't know yet.. apparently that's the release date for OotP in cinemas around the world.

Wednesday, April 12th 2006 - 02:05:49 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 yup, got my score as well... also Acceptable. But I was glad with that because the test sucks if you only know the dutch translations. I mean, half of the things I'd never heard of in english :P

Saturday, April 8th 2006 - 09:37:21 AM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 Noddi: Did you get your W.O.M.B.A.T. score? Anyone else? Mine was only 'Acceptable' . . . I couldn't remember all that stuff and I'm not sure I ever knew some of it. *sigh*

Saturday, April 8th 2006 - 09:05:10 AM

Name:

 Jan

Location:

 One-more-step No-man's land!

Comments:

 Noddi, I got the info on how to get in on Leaky, I think, and they said it may be something you can use for something later - that there will be others and you collect them and use them for something???

Monday, April 3rd 2006 - 08:41:06 PM

Name:

 Noddi

Comments:

 Anyone here on Jo's site as well?... Someone figured out what to do with the ID code? My friend and I are seriously thinking april fool's joke here...

Monday, April 3rd 2006 - 03:04:00 PM

Name:

 Jan

Comments:

 "Brief and concise" . . . Yeah! . . . Only 5 posts! Whooo!

Saturday, April 1st 2006 - 09:49:50 PM

Name:

 Elisa

Comments:

 Thanx Jan for explanations. *brief and concise*

Saturday, April 1st 2006 - 03:12:25 PM

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